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Old 23 Nov 2018, 20:51 (Ref:3865308)   #6076
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https://twitter.com/dsceditor/status...995244032?s=19

See, this seems to me much more believable. And read on below that to see true colors revealed. I don't feel good about this, makes me a little ashamed to see this kind of tribal crap in our otherwise lovable sportscar world.
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Old 23 Nov 2018, 22:18 (Ref:3865318)   #6077
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"Seismic shift"(!!!)... and even @specutainment it/himself then adds that it was already shut down/blocked by some OEMs. :facepalm:

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Old 23 Nov 2018, 23:38 (Ref:3865332)   #6078
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See, this seems to me much more believable. And read on below that to see true colors revealed. I don't feel good about this, makes me a little ashamed to see this kind of tribal crap in our otherwise lovable sportscar world.
So says the guy who has chosen sides and will ONLY listen to his chosen press people??
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I'm guessing this was new news to Hindy (as it was to me too), and he was unaware that this had previously been proposed and discussed in the meetings. Knee jerk reaction from him by posting that tweet, he clearly believed he had a scoop.

Anyway, Graham put the record straight very quickly, time to move on...
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December is getting ever closer so we'll soon see what's decided!
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Old 25 Nov 2018, 02:43 (Ref:3865580)   #6081
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I'm guessing this was new news to Hindy (as it was to me too), and he was unaware that this had previously been proposed and discussed in the meetings. Knee jerk reaction from him by posting that tweet, he clearly believed he had a scoop.

Anyway, Graham put the record straight very quickly, time to move on...
Speculation about the future rules is fun. Lots of directions things could go, and the timeline is getting shorter by the day. I have no idea how many OEM's will be there with new cars on day 1, but i'd guess 2, Toyota and Glick. Biggest question for me is what cars the privateers will be allowed to bring. Will they be required to have the "hypercars" or will they get a carryover of the current machinery? I favor the latter for a year or 2.
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I think they'll have to grandfather in the current lmp1s for the private teams unless they have one ready to go, or they allow customer cars. For me, I see Toyota and maybe Aston Martin. I think Glickenhaus is optimistic to be there for the first year of the new rules. I'd like to be proven wrong though!
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Old 25 Nov 2018, 12:09 (Ref:3865714)   #6083
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I think Glickenhaus is optimistic to be there for the first year of the new rules. I'd like to be proven wrong though!
Considering they'll have well over a year to do it, I don't think it's optimistic at all - sounds quite reasonable.

Whether or not it's competitive will certainly depend on the competition, though.
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Well, something for the technically minded on here to get their teeth into, the LMP 2020 Technical Regulations have been published. Link here under 'Latest Documents'.

Good luck deciphering them!
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Well, something for the technically minded on here to get their teeth into, the LMP 2020 Technical Regulations have been published. Link here under 'Latest Documents'.

Good luck deciphering them!

Found a good break down of it. 25 Street Cars by end of 2021 and 100 by end of 2022 season. Cars also have to have same drivetrain systems as race car ($$$$$$). Min weight at 1040 kg. I don't see this happening especially the production numbers.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...echnical-regs/
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What i got from a quick skimming:
Enforced maximum downforce and aerodynamic efficiency, minimum drag
Minimum weight 1040kg
Maximum power and engine effiiency is regulated (BSFC)
Fuel flow also still regulated
MGU-K limited to ~4.9 MJ ( 13.629*0.36) at Le Mans
Engine weight and cog regulated


Not a fan of this...
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Nothing too surprising except the production numbers. We've been told over and over this class was not going to use homologated road cars. Looking at the documents myself, they make a difference between an 'engine' and an 'engine of the make'. The rules say this:
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In all cases, the engine must be in conformity: • either with the rules imposed to the engine of the make; • or entirely with the rest of these regulations.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it seems like this actually means that manufacturers ('makes') can use production engines in this class but are not required to. Could someone else read article 5 of this document and give their view to see if I might be correct in this?

The SC365 article is wrong as always, please don't use any information from it. There is nothing in the rules about having to actually homologate a car or chassis, it only ever speaks about engines in this regard. Edit: They have edited the original article to rectify that mistake at least.

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Daily Sportscar's initial observations are here.

There's a link to an 'explainer' on the regs at the bottom of the article. Success ballast to be introduced (apart from Le Mans) and a theoretical 3:22 qualifying lap time at Le Mans, 3:27 for the race.
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Is it now OEM engine builders, and whatever chassis they like or build themselves, and then chassis builders have to integrate customer engines in to their chassis? It seems like you'll end up with one engine in each chassis again as the chassis are so optimized that a change can throw off the entire design.

It also does not seem like the engine and ERS must be homologated from the same car? They are in two sections but nothing appears to link them to one street chassis, unless I missed something.

I have not read the regulations fully, just a skim and couple articles about them but have not seen that clarified either way but it seems like the cars will be named (chassis builder)(engine builder) on the entry lists.

Also, expanding success ballast to all classes now?? DSC says GTE-Am but then references cars must be built to accept success ballast up to 50kg under the new regs. Plus side it does say we go back to fuel then tires pit stops, like racing should be.

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3:22 in qualifying is not too bad, in reality that will definitely mean 3:18s at least.
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