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27 Jan 2004, 02:52 (Ref:851826)
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VX,VY,HMS, Chev ?
Can anyone in the know shed some light on what configuration Commodore Holden Teams are required to run in 2004 in the main series ? At the moment it seems that any variation of VX/18 Degree Chev, VY/18 Degree Chev, VX/HMS, VY/HMS can be run, but surely this is outside of the "original" Project Blueprint specs ?
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27 Jan 2004, 03:05 (Ref:851830)
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The short answer is the VY can run the old VX engine this season. And will do so in many teams, including some ex-Symbol boys and girls.
TEGA should be on a mission here, to make a VY a true VY as per the original Blueprint spec. The teams have had a full 12 months to do this now, if they need more time there is something wrong somewhere |
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27 Jan 2004, 03:10 (Ref:851831)
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Pretty much Holden can do whatever they like and the rules will be changed to suit them. Originally all teams were to be running HMS engines from 2004 onwards. But Project Blueprint was changed for them so they could still use the Chev engines. But when some Ford teams were looking at getting some high port cylinder heads from Nascar to use in their engines, Holden Motorsport boss Ray Borrett said that Project Blueprint had been agreed on and no changes should be made. He didnt seem to mind when the changes being made were suiting him and his teams.
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27 Jan 2004, 03:19 (Ref:851835)
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Funny its the Holden boys having trouble all of a sudden.If the Ford runners are following the project why should the Holden get away with another year to comply.TEGA should land like a tonne of bricks.Before you get ready to shoot me to peices I have no knowledge of a Ford team haveing problems but that doesn't mean that they don't if you know what I mean.
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27 Jan 2004, 03:53 (Ref:851843)
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27 Jan 2004, 05:24 (Ref:851856)
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Thanks for the insight guys. It certainly seems to me that Holden have managed to get another special dispensation when it comes to imposing the obviously inadequate rules .... :confused:
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27 Jan 2004, 06:29 (Ref:851889)
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Actually, the VY's were supposed to be full blueprint spec for 2003 but Holden said we can't due to a supply problem with the Aurora componenty. The deadline was then set for the 04 season and now the excuse is it will cost us too much so its been extended again. |
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27 Jan 2004, 07:04 (Ref:851904)
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its just another su*k job for holden, always has been, always will be.
for some unexplainable reason the powers that be, no matter who they are, change the rules to suit whatever holden want |
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27 Jan 2004, 07:12 (Ref:851907)
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There is an upside to it though, the HMS powerplants are being sprinkled thru the field now, whereas they were seriously hidden away from everyone....
That wouldnt be possible if they switched to Aurora.... But the downside is still the inconsistency of the rules... I mean Dynamik, GRM, PMM & CPR managed to find enough bits to build engines... why cant the other Holden heroes? |
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27 Jan 2004, 07:45 (Ref:851916)
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If thats the case how about we let Ford have the high port heads they wanted.Whats good for the goose is good for the gander one would have thought.
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27 Jan 2004, 08:03 (Ref:851923)
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27 Jan 2004, 08:14 (Ref:851936)
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I really can't fathom how it is allowed to happen. Holden got what it wanted, they should be made to run those motors.
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27 Jan 2004, 09:29 (Ref:851994)
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27 Jan 2004, 09:31 (Ref:851998)
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Happy David Thexton Day, 21st March 2003 “I am not uncertain” - Dollar Bill Stern, Billions “Fear stimulates my imagination” - Don Draper, Mad Men “Everybody Lies” - Dr Gregory House, House “Trust But Verify” - Commissioner Frank Reagan, Blue Bloods
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27 Jan 2004, 09:49 (Ref:852019)
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27 Jan 2004, 10:40 (Ref:852061)
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27 Jan 2004, 22:12 (Ref:852924)
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Hey Tool Man I take it those guys aren't on the crissy card list then?
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28 Jan 2004, 08:46 (Ref:853279)
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No Driver is mate!!! Mind you I did get one from one of the drivers and his wife this year! Must reply I suppose !
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28 Jan 2004, 09:02 (Ref:853294)
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In all seriousness, and all jibes aside, can anyone shed light on the reason for the extension being granted? Seems we all have our own little pet theories, but anyone have the actual facts?
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28 Jan 2004, 09:09 (Ref:853309)
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28 Jan 2004, 11:50 (Ref:853467)
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I wish they would make all VY runners run the HMS engine just to shut up all the Ford supporters . I dont think it actually makes any difference which engine they run in turms of performance from what I haver seen .
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28 Jan 2004, 12:28 (Ref:853511)
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The thing is, apart from the Stones, Ford didn't realy do that well - I mean how many other teams won through outright speed? (Yes, lowndes doesn't count - even if he is lowndes!!)
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28 Jan 2004, 12:32 (Ref:853523)
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No not in my totally Biased opinion I didnt!!! Mind you 2 years ago when he was at Holden was a different story
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29 Jan 2004, 20:49 (Ref:855630)
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Yeh Lowndes won at the island but only with a better pit strergie and the luck of being able to put on wets at the same time.Bright didn't do Ambrose any favors either.FPV should after a year be more competitive and DJR need results as they have been at it long enough.As to facts as to why the delay apparently getting the parts required and instalation processes.Personally they have had all the off season to fix it.On another matter concerning parity why are holden allowed to run such a large gurny flap and Ford have a cheese cutter in comparison.
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