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Old 14 Jan 2021, 07:22 (Ref:4028889)   #166
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I’m finding it genuinely baffling - and a little amusing - at just how cross some of us are getting about the Toyota not looking like we want it to look.
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Old 14 Jan 2021, 08:37 (Ref:4028901)   #167
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Iím finding it genuinely baffling - and a little amusing - at just how cross some of us are getting about the Toyota not looking like we want it to look.
Yep, can only agree. That said, I, personally, gave up appraising the looks of prototypes in 2011, when the rules mandated that from that year forward they must all be ugly by default...😉
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Old 14 Jan 2021, 09:58 (Ref:4028930)   #168
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I’m finding it genuinely baffling - and a little amusing - at just how cross some of us are getting about the Toyota not looking like we want it to look.
i dont think its just that, i think its just confusing to the average person looking in at why the ACO would create a new class, that is the same speed as an LMP2, costs more than an LMP2, and you then have to slow LMP2 down to keep LMH faster....

....surely the simpler answer would have been using the LMP2 rules for LMH, opening them up to manufactuers so they can have different chassis and engine types....

...i dont know, im sure theres a reason they didnt do that but it would have been the simple route to get the same lap time, surely?

The cynic in me says the ACO didnt do this because A) IMSA got their first with DPI B) Maybe its not what toyota/ Aston wanted....but it appears other manufacturers see the sense in it.
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Old 14 Jan 2021, 10:49 (Ref:4028940)   #169
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i dont think its just that, i think its just confusing to the average person looking in at why the ACO would create a new class, that is the same speed as an LMP2, costs more than an LMP2, and you then have to slow LMP2 down to keep LMH faster....

....surely the simpler answer would have been using the LMP2 rules for LMH, opening them up to manufactuers so they can have different chassis and engine types....

...i dont know, im sure theres a reason they didnt do that but it would have been the simple route to get the same lap time, surely?

The cynic in me says the ACO didnt do this because A) IMSA got their first with DPI B) Maybe its not what toyota/ Aston wanted....but it appears other manufacturers see the sense in it.
I think youíve answered the question yourself, in that the LMP2+ formula already exists and you will be able to race with that at Le Mans from 2023 onwards.

I see the argument about why change in the first place, but itís important to remember that speed = cost. The LMP1s of the mid-late 2010s were simply too fast and too complicated to be sustainable. Yes, the GR010 looks similar to an LMP1 (which may disappoint some), but the point is that much simpler cars will be able to compete with this thing.

Perhaps thereís no greater example of this than the fact we have someone posting on this very thread whoís building a car to beat it!
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Old 14 Jan 2021, 10:52 (Ref:4028941)   #170
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Yep, can only agree. That said, I, personally, gave up appraising the looks of prototypes in 2011, when the rules mandated that from that year forward they must all be ugly by default...😉
The WSC open top cars were seen as a giant step back but Iím now on FB groups with thousands of people drooling over Riley & Scotts and Lolas which we unloved and overlooked at the time. The same will happen to the LMP1s, Iím sure, in time to come.

This is all highly subjective, but I actually love the look of this new car, reminds me a little of the Lotus GT1s.
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Old 14 Jan 2021, 15:52 (Ref:4029027)   #171
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Widely loved? No it was not. Back then I knew the Toyota GT1 was a category killer. I loved the McLarens and original Porsche GT1s. I thought the Porsche GT1 1998 car pushed the boundaries of the class. Toyota burried it.

Doing so now. They ruined the idea of the hypercar class before it even started.
Not widely loved? You sure about that? There were a lot of people (including me) who thought the TS020 was the sexiest thing on wheels - and frankly still is.

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Thought we were getting GR Super Sport. Nope. Got TS050 slightly modified.
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I am struggling to understand all the moaning and groaning about this new prototype racing car looking like a prototype racing car. It's not a road car. It's built to the regulations.

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Old 14 Jan 2021, 17:10 (Ref:4029058)   #172
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Iím finding it genuinely baffling - and a little amusing - at just how cross some of us are getting about the Toyota not looking like we want it to look.
As long as it comes out in the requisite white/red/black livery all will be forgiven!
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Old 14 Jan 2021, 17:26 (Ref:4029060)   #173
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As long as it comes out in the requisite white/red/black livery all will be forgiven!
Absolutely. And it turns out that Toyota were having us on all the time. Here is the real car..... Right colours too.....
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Old 14 Jan 2021, 17:57 (Ref:4029069)   #174
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Kinda compact and bijou......
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Looks a bit better in this new livery.




It's growing on me. Just something as daft as changing the wheels would have made a massive difference I think.


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Looks better than I thought it would, and I like the more powerful engine it's got, too.
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I also know that it's probably floating around somewhere on the ACO's or FIA's sites in their tech regs section, but anyone know what the max wheel width is for LMH? Toyota are running the same 330mm wide tires and 13x18 wheels as the TS050 did.
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I also know that it's probably floating around somewhere on the ACO's or FIA's sites in their tech regs section, but anyone know what the max wheel width is for LMH? Toyota are running the same 330mm wide tires and 13x18 wheels as the TS050 did.
A bit differently worded rule than usually.

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Nice looking car, nice looking livery, and a bigger 3.5L V6. Anyone else notice the two white slats on the roof? Looks like a work around for the roof height rules.
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