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17 Dec 2020, 19:39 (Ref:4023482)
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Are you saying it's beyond Corvette Racing's capability to convert C8.R into a GT3 car by 2022?
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No full blown factory teams allowed in GTD.
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17 Dec 2020, 20:31 (Ref:4023494)
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Originally Posted by carbsmith
No full blown factory teams allowed in GTD.
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Several sources suggest in 2022 GTE is to be replaced with GT3/GTD Pro for that very reason.
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17 Dec 2020, 21:32 (Ref:4023507)
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Originally Posted by Pandamasque
Several sources suggest in 2022 GTE is to be replaced with GT3/GTD Pro for that very reason.
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No, GTLM would be replaced. Yes a minor distinction but a HUGE one in this instance. GTE will not be GT3 any time soon as the ACO would rather drop GTs than allow Ratel in to the main show, hell they cried enough before letting them in the Road to LeMans Cup racing. Plus the ACO still has a decent field of GTE/AM cars to fulfill their needs so they don't really care. Unless Corvette wants to drop LM there's no need to convert the car over.
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17 Dec 2020, 21:52 (Ref:4023512)
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Sorry, that was just a brain fart. Of course I meant the IMSA class where Corvette is racing.
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17 Dec 2020, 23:14 (Ref:4023521)
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I'd say never say never on GT3 replacing GTE at least to some extent. Patrick Peter is still an ACO big wig and GT3s are allowed to run in the ACO sanctioned European Le Mans Series. And the ACO and FIA made peace after Max Mosley left and Jean Todt replaced him.
But then again, LMP1 shows that the ACO tend to stubbornly stick to their guns with a lot of hubris even after the writing is on the wall. IMSA at least seem less stubborn here and know the writing on the wall given that no one other than Corvette Racing is willing to show up full time.
Only thing that IMSA has to do is decide to do the GTLM reset after next season, or wait for the ACO to let GTLM/GTE die and for the latter organization to face the music.
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17 Dec 2020, 23:40 (Ref:4023524)
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Originally Posted by chernaudi
I'd say never say never on GT3 replacing GTE at least to some extent. Patrick Peter is still an ACO big wig and GT3s are allowed to run in the ACO sanctioned European Le Mans Series. And the ACO and FIA made peace after Max Mosley left and Jean Todt replaced him.
But then again, LMP1 shows that the ACO tend to stubbornly stick to their guns with a lot of hubris even after the writing is on the wall. IMSA at least seem less stubborn here and know the writing on the wall given that no one other than Corvette Racing is willing to show up full time.
Only thing that IMSA has to do is decide to do the GTLM reset after next season, or wait for the ACO to let GTLM/GTE die and for the latter organization to face the music.
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I don't think ACO could do a lot if manufacturers will decide to drop their GTE/GTLM programs
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18 Dec 2020, 00:30 (Ref:4023526)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chernaudi
Only thing that IMSA has to do is decide to do the GTLM reset after next season, or wait for the ACO to let GTLM/GTE die and for the latter organization to face the music.
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Before that happens ACO would just keep GTE Am. Otherwise they'll have a lot of unhappy customers with new cars on their hands.
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/1...gt-racing.html
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18 Dec 2020, 01:19 (Ref:4023530)
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Originally Posted by canaglia
I don't think ACO could do a lot if manufacturers will decide to drop their GTE/GTLM programs
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That's the only way we will see a change but likely hinted at years before so guys with their new toys in Am don't throw them out the pram. All bets are off if Porsche says no new RSR and we're out come 2023/4 to run LMDh. Corvette would likely follow their lead and I'm guessing Porsche and Corvette future discussions will likely occur trackside once that can occur again.
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18 Dec 2020, 01:58 (Ref:4023531)
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And if (or more likely when) IMSA drops GTLM as we know it and goes GTD Pro/GT3, if Corvette sticks around and decides to run a grandfathered C8R GTE/GTLM, could that be used by both IMSA and the ACO on how to BOP GT3 and GTE in both pro and am classes?
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18 Dec 2020, 12:02 (Ref:4023608)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carbsmith
No full blown factory teams allowed in GTD.
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Clearly that must change by the time GTE is absolutely dead.
Last edited by deggis; 18 Dec 2020 at 12:10.
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18 Dec 2020, 13:18 (Ref:4023631)
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With Nick Tandy moving to Corvette - I have to believe Corvette will not just stay with their GTE program in the States. Could they will enter the prototype category and compete for overall wins at Le Mans while race almost exclusively in IMSA?
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18 Dec 2020, 13:58 (Ref:4023636)
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as far I know, gt3 hasn't a proper tech regulamentation... it follows just some guidelines like street car chassis, street car engine or however derivated from another one of the same manufacturer, abs/tcs, fixed gear ratios and just little else... manufacturers propose the car for FIA homologation and if everything is fine, the car is homologated as gt3 for X years... that's the reason why we could see unlikely racing cars in last 10 years like reiter camaro gt3 7.8L, morgan aero 8 gt3 etc...
To say, if C8R will get a new ECU with tcs and brakes/abs system, what will be the actual dividing line between gte and gt3?
sports regs can be bent in so many ways... if GM isn't interested in a customer program, could just give cars to a supported private team with work drivers inside.
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20 Jan 2021, 02:36 (Ref:4030151)
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https://sportscar365.com/industry/kl...ogram-manager/
Remember how Kathleen Kennedy with Lucasfilm trashed Star Wars and the legacy of George Lucas. Lets how that Laura does not do the same thing with the legendary Doug Fehan's legacy.
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20 Jan 2021, 02:42 (Ref:4030152)
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Sorry? What do you mean? I think I might be missing the underlying metaphor here.
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