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I'd watch that lot race tractors, but thats irrelevant. Such a lineup would never be possible.
Engine note would rank a long way down the reason for Formula Brabham/Holden not working as a stand alone category. |
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If Peter Jackson Racing, Winfield Racing, the Holden Racing Team, etc were all in Formula Brabham instead of the ATCC, it could have worked quite well IMO!
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19 Jan 2021, 10:49 (Ref:4029996) | #753 | ||
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Bud, the points you make for F3000 are the same the supercars fans make for supercars against 2 litre cars. And those guys are always wrong. Any mid-range openwheeler class in Australia is unlikely to succeed because Australia is not a motor racing hub, and that mid range openwheelers are a "stepping stone" classes instead of outright professional classes. The other way mid-range openwheelers succeed is if they're great value for money, but they never are. |
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20 Jan 2021, 02:59 (Ref:4030155) | #755 | |
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i really hope s5000 works, its a fantastic looking class with lots of potential.
BUTTTTTTTT what does TCR, S5000 etc have to do with Supercar Gen3 regulations??? None Back to topic, interesting discussion happening around whether push to pass or paddle shift should be introduced into Gen3. |
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20 Jan 2021, 07:55 (Ref:4030181) | #756 | ||
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Back on topic - Lexus RC F. Any chance now Supercars are prepared to foot some of the costs? Would the new engine regs make it easier (cheaper) to develop their own 5 Litre to a competitive level?
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If it doesn't have a bow-tie on it, it just doesn't seem to be a priority for Supercars, there seems to be little conviction to cater to Nissan and Toyota racing supporters. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 20 Jan 2021 at 08:31. |
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The car (and engine) already exist courtesy of GT3. It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever for Lexus (or a team) to have to build a new car from scratch when they should be able to enter the GT3 car. |
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20 Jan 2021, 08:51 (Ref:4030200) | #759 | ||
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The Kiwis can do it for a sixpence, but for Supercars it's apparently all too hard unless it's GM. |
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20 Jan 2021, 14:28 (Ref:4030259) | #760 | |
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love to see the toyota supra or nissan 400zx be used. Both have v8's and cars that can be used and built to gen 3 specs.
I'd add the major reason Supercars is doing the camaro is the need for a GM based product on the grid in 2022. Over half the teams run that brand right now. The toyota or nissan would need to come from another team - maybe WAU or could Kelly Racing have another go? Would Erebus be interested? |
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So if the Supercars pay for the body and having the existing GT3 Lexus V8 engine (nice head start and cheaper engine program) may seem feasible to Lexus. Just my thoughts. |
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22 Jan 2021, 09:34 (Ref:4030577) | #763 | ||
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Anyway, I saw F5000 in it's heyday and some Tasman stuff before that and because the chain of open wheelers has been broken in Oz for a long while I fear they will never be back. I was always sceptical of the new F5000 and I am sure it will sink into obscurity because Australian motor sport fans just don't "get" what open wheelers are all about. Open wheel stars from OS is a dead pipe dream but if you are so sure of its potential have a go and get it done. |
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If you wanted to get an idea of car or team, it would need to be with multiple racing teams, with different engine sources. Single source did not give a true indication of Nissan nor Mercedes competitiveness.
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4 May 2021, 00:49 (Ref:4049521) | #766 | |
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So when can we expect the Gen 3 postponement announcement?
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6 May 2021, 07:22 (Ref:4049976) | #769 | ||
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Speedcafe reporting "Crisis Talks".
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/05/06...risis-meeting/ Surely we can't go into next year with Commondoors, can we? |
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Why not?
You still see far more Opel Commodores driving around than Chevrolet Camaros... As a silhouette series, what does it matter what the body shapes are? I'm more concerned about the GT3-push with unwanted items like paddle shift and digital rearview mirror. Stuff that nobody asked for. |
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7 May 2021, 04:32 (Ref:4050131) | #772 | |
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The thought of a digital rear view mirror in the Gen3 Supercars, that gives me wet dreams looking forward to 2022 season!
Supercars and C7 will able to do at least 40 ineffectual puff pieces on that item during any race weekend. Now Sean, have you thought the Gen3 cars being equipped with electric car aerials, 8 track cassette players, or roof racks? |
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7 May 2021, 04:39 (Ref:4050132) | #773 | |
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autonomous driving would be a good idea. Saves the costs for the drivers
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7 May 2021, 04:54 (Ref:4050134) | #774 | ||
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Is anyone going to care if its silhouette mustang vs camaro?
We already have trans-am racing series (Which is damned good) |
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Now they are trying to move on from lame duck #1 (ZB) to lame duck #2 (Camaro, uncertain future imo, horrible sales). Reeks of desperation, holding on tight to the last vestiges of "me like red" and of course, "me like blue" |
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