FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2017. Grand Prix Weekend Thread

[S griffin]

There is now way you can compare Stroll to Diniz and yes because Stroll actually won a junior title. Maybe you can compare him to Klien, a talented driver thrown in at the deep end before he was ready. Problem is, if Max can make the jump, people will think why not others? At least Williams are now justified in bringing Felipe back

[Gingers4Justice]

Originally Posted by S griffin

There is now way you can compare Stroll to Diniz and yes because Stroll actually won a junior title. Maybe you can compare him to Klien, a talented driver thrown in at the deep end before he was ready. Problem is, if Max can make the jump, people will think why not others? At least Williams are now justified in bringing Felipe back

Max was helped by two things.

First, he entered at a time when the cars were pretty easy to drive, in many ways. The most difficult aspect of the cars last year were all the buttons and mechanisms you had to learn, but that's nothing that couldn't be sorted out with long hours at the factory and good coaching. In 2017, the performance gap between F1 and any junior category is huge once again and the drivers have to be athletes - I think the days of a teenager hopping into an F1 car from F3 or whatever and being on the pace straight away are over.

Second, my gut instinct tells me that Max is the path to greatness, and has that super-human it that separates the great drivers like him from the extremely good ones. You can throw anything at a driver like that, and they'll learn.

TL;DR - I think even very good young drivers will look out of their depth thrown into a 2017 F1 car before they're ready, especially in a grid littered with decades of experience.

[Artur]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8k-D9-AZoo

Interesting to see that a 1994 car had more cornering speed than a 2017 one.

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by Artur

Interesting to see that a 1994 car had more cornering speed than a 2017 one.

Traction control would help for sure.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Max was helped by two things.

First, he entered at a time when the cars were pretty easy to drive, in many ways. The most difficult aspect of the cars last year were all the buttons and mechanisms you had to learn, but that's nothing that couldn't be sorted out with long hours at the factory and good coaching. In 2017, the performance gap between F1 and any junior category is huge once again and the drivers have to be athletes - I think the days of a teenager hopping into an F1 car from F3 or whatever and being on the pace straight away are over.

Second, my gut instinct tells me that Max is the path to greatness, and has that super-human it that separates the great drivers like him from the extremely good ones. You can throw anything at a driver like that, and they'll learn.

TL;DR - I think even very good young drivers will look out of their depth thrown into a 2017 F1 car before they're ready, especially in a grid littered with decades of experience.

Yes, I think that's the main thing, the cars are more difficult than they were, so experience counts more than anything

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Artur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8k-D9-AZoo

Interesting to see that a 1994 car had more cornering speed than a 2017 one.

In 1994 the cars were 200 kgs of useless junk lighter.

Pretty sure that the modern cars are running de facto traction control through the KERS system.

[ASCII Man]

Originally Posted by wnut

Pretty sure that the modern cars are running de facto traction control through the KERS system.

So did Michael in 1994. #option13 #neverforget

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

So did Michael in 1994. #option13 #neverforget

Benetton and launch control.

[ASCII Man]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Benetton and launch control.

Which is a traction control, remember what Ayrton said about the flat engine note of Michaels car coming out of the corners.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Which is a traction control, remember what Ayrton said about the flat engine note of Michaels car coming out of the corners.

I remember it well.

[chillibowl]

really good race summary by Karun Chandhok. video is a bit long and while he acknowledges that the race wasnt the best, its still a good summary. made the weekend seem far more eventful then what came across on the TV.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/op...aco-grand-prix

one point he briefly addresses is that Merc had an extra day to think about things and they still couldnt find the right operating window for LH but then he goes on to talk about just how impressive VB's quali lap was....food for thought imo!

[Gingers4Justice]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

really good race summary by Karun Chandhok. video is a bit long and while he acknowledges that the race wasnt the best, its still a good summary. made the weekend seem far more eventful then what came across on the TV.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/op...aco-grand-prix

one point he briefly addresses is that Merc had an extra day to think about things and they still couldnt find the right operating window for LH but then he goes on to talk about just how impressive VB's quali lap was....food for thought imo!

Chandhok's excellent. So much more informative than many of his peers in the media.

[chillibowl]

he really is.

lots of good insight and avoids the sensationalist musings that the other ex driver/owner types resort to.

just need to remember to watch his reports more often!

[S griffin]

He ain't nicknamed Karunpedia for nothing

[Sodemo]

I'm pretty sure teams are "faking" traction control via some technical means.

[F1Guy]

Monaco 2017 onboard. WOW! Much respect to all the drivers.

Best to watch in fullscreen mode.

[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4am7HmuQNY&list[/YT]

[F1Guy]

Monaco 2017. The directors cut.

https://www.formula1.com/en/video/20...naco_2017.html

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Monaco 2017. The directors cut.

https://www.formula1.com/en/video/20...naco_2017.html

You want me to watch it again.........?

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Chandhok's excellent. So much more informative than many of his peers in the media.

Agreed. He knows what he's talking about.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Monaco 2017 onboard. WOW! Much respect to all the drivers.

Best to watch in fullscreen mode.

[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4am7HmuQNY&list[/YT]

With fixed link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4am7HmuQNY

Richard

[F1Guy]

Wow! F1 release footage from the drivers briefing in Monaco. This hasn't happened for a looooong time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C9hOtchZD8

[chillibowl]

good stuff. thanks for sharing that

[fourWheelDrift]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

good stuff. thanks for sharing that

I agree with having a wall instead of the yellow trampoline.