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Old 26 Oct 2008, 13:06 (Ref:2321075)   #1
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1:18 Group A Touring Car Diecasts

Ok, I have been patiently trying to build my collection recently, but thanks to the 'crunch' may have to leave off for a while!

I've got a Schnitzer and JPS 635's, Zakspeed and Bastos M3's, a '87 Bathurst Eggenberger and '88 Dick Johnson RS500's and Les Smal FAI Commodore.

I'm interested in discussing:

1/ What else is out there at the moment
2/ favourite models in collections
3/ ones that aren't so popular
4/ and also why there aren't more of them considering there's so many 1:43's on the market.

I'd also like to know if Autoart, Minichamps or anyone is planning on releasing further livery variants of:

The BMW 635 - There's '85 and '86 ETC spec cars due but other than Schnitzer, JPS, Jagermeister versions currently available that's it?

Sierra RS500 - There's already a lot of ETC and ATCC examples but what about an Andy Rouse version?!!!

There's a few pre '90 VK and VL Commodore's but surely that list must grow to include Brock Mobil cars, Perkins and maybe even the Rothmans ETC car Moffatt ran?

When is that rumoured TWR Jag XJS coming out?

What about 1:18 Rover Vitesse, Volvo 240T, Alfa GTV6 and MK 3 Capris? There aren't currently any in production?

Surely there's plenty of collectable scope for these because of the success and multitude of liveries each of them had?

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No it's not..... :>) For myself, I find trying to find all of the threads that I am interested in difficult. There are just so many here. As regards new models, go to the Minichamps site and look under 'new'. They have just released the 1989 Spa 24 hours winning Bastos Sierra RS500, and have Bernd Schneiders DTM 1989 Sonax version due out soon. Also on the way (but it pays not to put too much store by the release dates shown) are their new Zakspeed Escort MKII models - Europa Mobel and Castrol before Christmas. All are 1/18th scale, and should easily be produced in yet more schemes.....
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Zakspeed Escort MKII models - Europa Mobel and Castrol before Christmas.
Oh dear. I wasn't going to buy any more diecast for a while - that theory didn't last long
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Old 6 Nov 2008, 10:42 (Ref:2329317)   #5
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Ah ha, there is life!!

Yeah i've seen the Bastos Sierra's out at last along with a Sonax DTM one. These have been due for quite a while. Minichamps, it seems, put out release dates well in advance maybe to well up as much interest as possible.

Problem i'm having is I've been kind of hoping that a different, more famous Group A race car that was in Bastos colours would be launched but there doesn't seem to be any likelihood anytime soon?

Minichamps have a 1:43 DTM Rover due but no 1:18!!!!!

I'm waiting...............
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You might have a long wait. The Sierra is available in many non ciggie colour schemes, the Rover less so. I am aware that they do exist, but you have to admit they are sort of obscure - unless you consider Tony Pond's rally cars.
The cars did run in a very nice Mobil 1 scheme at Bathurst in 1984, but I think you would be looking at importing one from OZ in this case. Biante I think specialise in this sort of thing. Anyone out there aware of a UK source for such models? Postage to Ireland would be far less expensive as a result.
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Old 19 Nov 2008, 21:07 (Ref:2337890)   #7
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Guess what? You will need to spend yet more money:
http://tiny.cc/h5rtj :>) I will certainly be getting one......
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Interesting? A one off uncompetitive 'special' is launched before multi title winning Rovers, Volvos etc...?

I wonder what the decision making policy is at Minichamps or Autoart?

How is it decided what models are considered more appealing or collectable than others? I know both these firms are based in Germany I think but the coverage needs to be made wider.

Maybe the car manufacturers or license holders haven't allowed these model firms to make them yet?

I suppose in Biante's case there is an agreement for Autoart to build and supply the ATCC cars under license?

Maybe we need someone in the UK to do the same, like Corgi/Vanguards then we might get some more 1:18 classic BTCC cars made?

Even then, i'm sure touring car fans around the world would love to have a Bastos or Sanyo Rover, Rouse Kaliber Sierra, TWR Win Percy RX7, James Weaver 635 or a Gordon Spice Capri. (in the Sierra and 635 case, the base models are already available, it would simply be a case of making new liveries!)

Surely the market for such releases wouldn't be limited to UK only and make commercial sense so to speak?
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There appears to be only you and me here..... :>)
As you say, Minichamps and AutoArt are German owned (they shared tooling at one time I am led to believe). It does seem a strange choice, along with the 1971 Mercedes 300 SEL Spa 24hours car, and variations. The Konig Mercedes is in the AMG museum (can be seen on youtube), so getting the prototype to measure is easy. It looks as though it is pretty original, so accuracy should not be a problem. Have you looked at what Revell are producing? Talk about obscure...... I agree about the Rouse Kaliber Sierra, and would prefer the 1988 TT winning version, and also Robb Gravett's 1990 BTCC champion. However, Japanese diecast companies also normally produce cars of local interest - which is understandable. I think we will need a UK based or owned firm to see some of the models you mention, and I for one would be interested in some of what you listed. Minichamps are to produce a MKII RS2000, so who knows?
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Is the market as big for the 1:18's as it is for the 1:43's? I'd have thought the market was smaller and therefore the range of models available will be comparably smaller (not that it makes the decision making process any more logical!). I've got purely 1:43's and struggle to find space for all of those, I can only imagine it'd be an absolute nightmare with 1:18's
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Is the market as big for the 1:18's as it is for the 1:43's?

I've got purely 1:43's and struggle to find space for all of those, I can only imagine it'd be an absolute nightmare with 1:18's
Yeah 1:43 has traditionally been the modellers favourite I believe, but 1:18 scale is rapidly growing - the vast array of manufacturers releasing the bigger scale cars is testement to that. Most do both, but not all though.

Re the 2nd point, yes it certainly is!!!
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I get around that by being fussier than if I was collecting 1/43rd. And with the vast selection, I would be broke by now, and have no room to live. My collection will be increasing soon though, with Minichamps releasing a nice DTM Europa Mobel Zakspeed Escort and the 1971 Spa 24 hours winning Capri RS2600. I am also adding to my range of rally cars for Christmas - with the SunStar Lancia Stratos 1979 SanRemo winner.
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I was at a model car expo/swap meet and came across a Corgi made 1:43 BSCC Ford Capri.

The car was #6, with Juicy Fruit sponsorship on it. It had no drivers name, but did feature the Tricentral signage above the number. For interests sake who drove this car, and did Corgi make anymore of them from this period?

PS... i didn't buy it, as with most items at these places, they were hideously over-priced
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I was at a model car expo/swap meet and came across a Corgi made 1:43 BSCC Ford Capri.

The car was #6, with Juicy Fruit sponsorship on it. It had no drivers name, but did feature the Tricentral signage above the number. For interests sake who drove this car, and did Corgi make anymore of them from this period?

PS... i didn't buy it, as with most items at these places, they were hideously over-priced
I've got one somewhere from when I was little!

You'll probably find a few of them on ebay periodically and yes they do seem a bit pricey.

The livery is from the 1981 Tricentrol BSCC. There was a 2 car team for Andy Rouse and Charles Sawyer-Hoare entered under the 'CS-H Racing with Daily Mirror' banner.

I believe the the cars might have been prepared by Ralph Broad but with Andy (having used to work for Broadspeed) also heavily involved on the engineering/prep front.

As you probably know r69, Andy had driven for Gordon Spice in '80 but had decided to break from this suuccesful partnership (I suspect with the lure of Sawyer-Hoares's decent budget as on the Cordi car!)) However, the venture wasn't a succesful one, with the cars not really working like the well sorted CC examples, of Spice and Vince Woodman so Rouse returned to Spice's CC prep'd outfit for the final year of Group 1 in Britain.

Unfortunately I dodn;t think Corgi did any other liveries, there was just this one; 'The Professionals' TV silver version and later on an Only Fools and Horses luried green one.

Shame really as it would've been mega to be able to have bought Spice and Woodman examples!
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Ah yes, the team also had backing from Juicy Jeans, which you probably thought was Juicy Fruit?

I also ended up with a team sticker several years later. It came from West Surrey Racing, which I thought odd, as Dick Bennetts outfit wasn't involved with this team as far as I am aware! Maybe someone worked for CS-H/Rouse/Broad and later worked at WSR?.
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Hey guys, lots of ATCC action coming in the next three months or so.

All 1/18, Biante have Brock HDT VLs, Moffat & Peter McLeod RX7s, Grice & Morris Toranas, GIO & GMS R32 Skylines.

CC have Perkins 95 Bathurst Commodore out this week & 97 coming. Lots of Aussie stuff

I did notice some folks from here pop up on the biante site.

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1:18 HDT VL Commodore?? Thanks David, that's great news....

Shame I'm skint!!!!

Now pleeeeeeeeeeassssssssee can AutoArt or Minichamps or anyone else give us a 1:18 Rover Vitesse!!!!!!!
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1:18 HDT VL Commodore?? Thanks David, that's great news....

Shame I'm skint!!!!

Now pleeeeeeeeeeassssssssee can AutoArt or Minichamps or anyone else give us a 1:18 Rover Vitesse!!!!!!!
A lot of requests on the Aussie diecast sites for Spa & Monza versions of the VLs as well. We can only hope.

Would like to see the Rover. Bastos & Mobil versions spring to mind. A Mr Slako from Perth did a bright Pink one as well.

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How about this beauty from Australia?

http://www.biante.com.au/files/showr..._BNA0003_1.jpg

Full model details here!

http://www.biante.com.au/new-model-showroom_157.htm

Or this...

http://www.biante.com.au/files/showr...es/148_VK1.jpg

Model details here.. http://www.biante.com.au/new-model-showroom_148.htm
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Is there an appointed distributor/retailer for OZ related diecast subjects in Europe?
I would like to get my hands on one or two models, but can't face the huge shipping charges of having them sent by airmail....
On a related topic, I got hold of the recently introduced Bastos RS500 from Minichamps, but be aware there are one or two problems. First is the rear ride height - it looks far too generous for me. I'm not sure how to get around this, but I suspect the problem stems from what looks like oversize wheels and tyres. The second is easier to correct - there are no air jacks sticking out of the underside of the car. These are very obvious in any decent photo of an ETCC spec RS500. Speaking of Minichamps, their decision to offer a new line of MKII rally Escorts is odd. More so when you consider that the Roger Clark Cossack Escort was (reasonably) done by SunStar in the recent past. And yes - I add my voice to those who think we need a decent Rover Vitesse/SD1. Question is - will it be 'wider' than it should be?....... :>)
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Bob Janes 1971 ATCC winner,I Frank Gardner bought the 427 ZL1 motor out of this car & used it to good effect in Europe.

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I would like to get my hands on one or two models, but can't face the huge shipping charges of having them sent by airmail....
On a related topic, I got hold of the recently introduced Bastos RS500 from Minichamps, but be aware there are one or two problems. First is the rear ride height - The second is easier to correct - there are no air jacks sticking out of the underside of the car.
Speaking of Minichamps, their decision to offer a new line of MKII rally Escorts is odd. More so when you consider that the Roger Clark Cossack Escort was (reasonably) done by SunStar in the recent past. And yes - I add my voice to those who think we need a decent Rover Vitesse/SD1. Question is - will it be 'wider' than it should be?....... :>)
I'm not sure that there is an appointed distributor. The Biante stuff is sometimes just marketed as Autoart in some European ebay and trade ads? My JPS 635 is just Autoart, but i'm sure it has Biante on the box in Australia?

I've got that Bastos Sierra too but hadn't taken the time to check it over in great detail. My Eggenberger/Texaco one certainly does appear a bit high at the rear though but my 'Dicko' one doesn't which is a bit odd when they've all come from the same mould/build process?

Cough cough, splutter, I don't know about your last bit..... I think we had an ex TWR engineer come on in the Rover thread and scoff at all the 7/8ths size rumours. He was quite upset actually!!

Perhaps we all need to rally one of the diecast manufacturers (Minichamps have a 1:43 imminent) to build a 1:18 Bastos Vitesse at the very least!!
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