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Old 10 Nov 2013, 08:37 (Ref:3329548)   #1
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2007 Ferrari was illegal.
Nigel Stepney, former head of performance management for Ferrari finally reveals what a lot of people had known for quite some time.

http://www.f1times.co.uk/news/display/08190

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...andal-details/
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 08:44 (Ref:3329551)   #2
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And what do you think about this? Is it a fair allegation, is it significant?
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 08:51 (Ref:3329555)   #3
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Why am I not surprised? Ferrari aren't the first and won't be the last to try it on so to speak. At this distance it is not earth shaking news but the full story on the how Stepney and McLaren were done over by Ferrari would be. I would pay good money to read about that. The bit I find strange about that affair is McLaren did not squawk at the monetory figure so either they were in deeper than revealed or there was another good reason for the silence which has never seen the light of day.
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 09:59 (Ref:3329573)   #4
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Why am I not surprised? Ferrari aren't the first and won't be the last to try it on so to speak. At this distance it is not earth shaking news but the full story on the how Stepney and McLaren were done over by Ferrari would be. I would pay good money to read about that. The bit I find strange about that affair is McLaren did not squawk at the monetory figure so either they were in deeper than revealed or there was another good reason for the silence which has never seen the light of day.
I think you are right, this floor issue was well known just after the race, and McLaren chose not to push their luck! I couldn't understand how they knew in the first place, and why they did not appeal in the second! Fruits of questionable methods maybe?

Ugly business all round really!
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 10:52 (Ref:3329591)   #5
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I'm sure this goes on more than we know. Perhaps in several years there will be rumours that the 2011-2013 Red Bull was illegal?
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 11:23 (Ref:3329597)   #6
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This only says during the opening race of the season.
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 12:05 (Ref:3329602)   #7
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Was it desperation to get back to the level of success they had when TGF was there?Odd that a team with the right of veto over the rules could make such a mistake.
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 12:25 (Ref:3329611)   #8
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The car wasn't illegal, don't be so stupid..

EVERYTHING is allowed unless you are caught, that's the whole point of Formula One, and always has been.
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 12:39 (Ref:3329612)   #9
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The car wasn't illegal, don't be so stupid..

EVERYTHING is allowed unless you are caught, that's the whole point of Formula One, and always has been.
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 13:47 (Ref:3329627)   #10
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Which is precisely what I did?! By saying he was being stupid (in that post), rather than he is stupid.
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 14:43 (Ref:3329643)   #11
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I'm sure this goes on more than we know. Perhaps in several years there will be rumours that the 2011-2013 Red Bull was illegal?
And for sure in several years 321Go will start that thread to tell us.
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 15:59 (Ref:3329654)   #12
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It's already known that the car was illegal for the first race of 2007 season isn't it?
Wasn't the floor found to be illegal and banned before the next race?
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 17:52 (Ref:3329673)   #13
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Interesting how many websites have claimed that Stepney said the Ferrari was illegal, it suggests very few of them bothered to do any research...

Nobody protested the red cars in Oz, the design was deemed illegal ahead of the next race - the article raises some other interesting points...
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And for sure in several years 321Go will start that thread to tell us.
Well he'll post a link, but not talk about it at all. We shall discuss it for his pleasure.
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 19:02 (Ref:3329690)   #15
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Nobody protested the red cars in Oz, the design was deemed illegal ahead of the next race -
Yes, I see nothing that adds to what happened at the time. Often things are OK for a race and then get 'clarified' afterwards.
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the article raises some other interesting points...
In your opinion, which bits. Or have you the same disease as the thread starter.
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Old 10 Nov 2013, 20:32 (Ref:3329721)   #16
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I wrote the web-news story on RCE, in it it refers to a full interview - where there is more info...
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Which is precisely what I did?! By saying he was being stupid (in that post), rather than he is stupid.
Arguing with a moderator over forum rules is being stupid, don't you think?
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Arguing with a moderator over forum rules is being stupid, don't you think?
Not at all. Status shouldn't matter should it? The argument should be on the merits of what is said, not who said it?
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My reaction exactly, just using this forum to plug his own website...

Seems everyone has an agenda around here, eh?
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Not at all. Status shouldn't matter should it? The argument should be on the merits of what is said, not who said it?
When discussing the topic at hand, you are perfectly correct.

However, I'm sure most sensible members would agree that it's best to quietly take on board the friendly advice of a moderator when it comes to forum rules rather than seeking to challenge it.

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Ask Newey about the rear diffuser on the Brawn in '09.
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Ask Newey about the rear diffuser on the Brawn in '09.
Why don't you ask him?

The Brawn diffuser was legal. It was never banned during that season. But just to prove that you can get it wrong, Toyota and Williams also had double diffusers from the beginning of the 2009 season.
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