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R T doing small club races?
Can't see it! Good bloke but has had some odd cars. |
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8 Dec 2013, 00:43 (Ref:3341427) | #903 | |
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In the case of THAT Grantura the owner would presumably have had to establish that his car that his car had (1) the correct (narrower) track of the pre-66 Mark III; and (2) that the engine was positioned correctly (i.e. not in the further forward position found on the post-65 MkIV). The Kamm or Manx tail was used on Granturas built both before (MkIII) and after (MKIII or MkIV) the 31 Dec 1965 cut off but other measurable features determine whether a car complies with the homologated specification for Appendix K racing or not.
Having said that, whether or not a Kamm-tailed MkIII Grantura ever raced in an International meeting in period is just as much of a question mark as whether a round-tailed Griffith ever did the same. The FIA's rules on bodywork silhouette seem, on the the hand, to be perfectly clear but, on the other hand, to be rather inconsistently applied in the case of TVRs. A source of great frustration for owners of both Griffiths and Granturas. Why can the FIA gurus not just say "Look, we don't really know what was going on in period but as long as your cars meet the mechanical specs laid down in the homologation papers you can run either the round-tail OR the Kamm/Manx-tailed bodywork"? |
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Yes, quite right. All this debate over round tail or Kamm tail would be time better spent seeing them out on the track.
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9 Dec 2013, 18:33 (Ref:3342022) | #905 | ||
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http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...00S&mid=251584 and there have been other Kamm-tailed Granturas given HTPs more recently. But, as your experience illustrates a far tougher stance is being taken on Griffiths. Could it be because Griffiths have greater embarrassment potential for the traditional front runners in the pre-66 GT field? We must respect the FIA's prerogative to be pedantic over the shape of the tails but we should insist that they are consistent in the application if their pedantry. |
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9 Dec 2013, 19:49 (Ref:3342049) | #906 | ||
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The two years that a Griff won the 6Hr,there wasn't a GT 40 out there.Makes me wonder why people still think that throwing buckets of cash at them will turn them into a 6hr winner again,very little chance against what Vincent and Alain allow in these days,which is a great shame.
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9 Dec 2013, 20:22 (Ref:3342061) | #907 | ||
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What years did TVR win 6 hrs.
Don't think that what Alan and Vincent lets in is the difficulty it's the 16 secs a lap quicker than eight years ago with same cars. All the able to do 2 42! |
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9 Dec 2013, 21:56 (Ref:3342111) | #909 | ||
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However, I am not at all sure that it is obvious that this 'works' for the Grantura as the Mk3 1800 - the homologated model that all current racers build their cars to replicate - was only built in small numbers, maybe 30 to 40 from chassis numbers 9/660-ish to 9/700-ish. Then the Kamm-tail was introduced on the production line just before the end of 1965. As has been suggested previously, it is possible that some manufacturers may have tried to make out that they had produced more than 100 of the original body shape. But, surely the modern FIA would make appropriate enquiry now before issuing HTPs for alternate body shapes especially, in this case, when there is no photographic evidence to support the alternate body shape having competed at an International meeting? My position remains that I would like to see either rear body shape being acceptable for both Grantura and Griffith. It might encourage more cars to be prepared appropriately and out there racing, which is surely what we all really would like to see? |
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1995 WARD (GB) / CONOLEY (GB) / WILLIAMS (GB) TVR Griffith 1996 WARD (GB) / CONOLEY (GB) TVR Griffith |
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Like I said,no GT40s/over developed Cobras etc etc,were present then. Only one Corvette out there which encountered numerous problems on both occasions. Unlike the recent events that have become a sports/racing car show. Even Mustangs were in their early redevelopment stages much the same as nearly all V8 engined stuff. E Types were still doing the kind of lap speeds they should have done but not much interest in them then. |
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12 Dec 2013, 22:42 (Ref:3343376) | #914 | |||
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I don't think you can get back to the results for when Joe and Chris won any more - and Roy Stephenson's 1800 Grantura was 3rd in 2004 IIRC......but this link takes you to 2007 http://www.ris-timing.be/v2/archive/archive-2007/ In that year's Six Hours before the arms race with the V8s, there were two TVRs in the top 25, both Granturas and Nigel Reuben's fastest last lap in Johnson's car was a 3.06.9 for 8th place. There were five GTS11 cars in the top 15 and only 6 cars overall under 3 mins......this year 28 cars qualified under 3 mins and 63 were quicker than Nigel's time in the TVR in 2007 Amazing how much 'development' has made certain cars SO much faster.....or maybe it's the drivers |
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Oddly enough,whilst clearing out the junk you seem to accumulate,I have just come across photos taken at the start of both years.If I get the time,I'll put them on here.By todays standards,the grids look quite small! I would put the lower lap times down to higher development cost's.
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14 Dec 2013, 11:47 (Ref:3343964) | #916 | ||
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In the interests of redressing the balance. I thought I would post to let you know that after 5 innaugral sessions and my first time behind the wheel of a Griff I managed a 1.28 at Anglesey coastal circuit. It felt very rapid inside the car and I was elated after a very long self build to have finally completed my car.. the race footage makes me look like I am reversing through the field but in my defence... I was on M sections of 10 year vintage The other cars had about 100hp more on average I was short shifting whilst bedding the engine in Not all griffs are being built with an arms race in mind Some are still faithful to the concept of what they are. even if they are not Fia Elligible. I will learn how to drive it next year without being too much of an emmbarassment and then hopefully come out to play. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX71UXv5eA0 N. |
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Its one of those cars that just looks right! Very nice.
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15 Dec 2013, 10:29 (Ref:3344245) | #918 | ||
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A dream realised - fantastic stuff!
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Sir! Sir! Look at that air intake!
I thought it was only CMS who could get away with that Jelly? So, thats adds another two with coforming w/arches.Both very nicely done chaps.HTPs anyone? |
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25 Dec 2016, 18:59 (Ref:3698426) | #921 | |
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Nice looking vehicle.
John Turner Question - I submitted my Griffith 400 chassis number to you a while back. How many griffith 400 chassis numbers have you identified at this time of the 59 produced? Mine is 400-6-055. |
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Some people have been very diffident about disclosing that information and I have been somewhat distracted with other motor racing activities. However, I'll put together a list and see what I can come up with.
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Crikey, had to look back 4 pages to find this thread. Given that Profdeuce (Remind me who you are, by PM, if you wish Pfd) has reawakened this one and that I started it back in 2009, I guess there might be some updating to do. Anyone care to inform of changes of ownership or new cars that have appeared?
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I can add to this post, that this car is still in Denmark. Has been standing in a museum ever since. But it is going to be raced again in 2017. It still has the UK plate DFV567C Regards RD |
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