Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Classic Cars Monthly Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Historic Racing & Motorsport History > Historic Racing Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11 Sep 2017, 15:55 (Ref:3766086)   #926
richard tyzack
Rookie
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Wales
Chepstow
Posts: 11
richard tyzack should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Turner View Post
A dream realised - fantastic stuff!
Dear John, can you put me in touch with Mike Whitaker who won a race this weekend at Goodwood driving his "second" TVR Griffith with standard bodywork and on wire wheels, I need to find out if this car has HTP papers and if so I should be able to start the long battle to get papers for my car.
Thanks in anticipation
richard tyzack is offline  
Quote
Old 11 Sep 2017, 20:11 (Ref:3766150)   #927
Rob Pennington
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 10
Rob Pennington should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard tyzack View Post
Dear John, can you put me in touch with Mike Whitaker who won a race this weekend at Goodwood driving his "second" TVR Griffith with standard bodywork and on wire wheels, I need to find out if this car has HTP papers and if so I should be able to start the long battle to get papers for my car.
Thanks in anticipation
Mike's standard bodied Griffith is BFR 400B and was run by Chris Lawrence and Keith Aitchison in period. It ran as a prototype at St Ursanne - Les Rangiers in 1965. I understand you can run both standard bodied Griffith and the Dr Ewan Paul wide bodied Griffth. The Mk3 shaped 200 is a bit more difficult although one ran at the Canadian Grand Prix meeting in a support race.

What sort of Griffith do you own.

Rob
Rob Pennington is offline  
Quote
Old 11 Sep 2017, 20:35 (Ref:3766155)   #928
GBRM
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
England
Posts: 1,056
GBRM should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
It also depends what size wheels/tyres that you want to run, I believe you can get FIA papers with a standard body, but only run a narrower tyre (6.5") and if you want papers to run wider tyres, (8") ,then you have to use the wider (ugly) body.
Where it gets confusing is the whole period FIA-sanctioned event, as cars ran at FIA events, but the actual race they ran in in period weren't FIA - not confusing...
GBRM is offline  
__________________
Gregor Marshall
Quote
Old 12 Sep 2017, 06:07 (Ref:3766189)   #929
John Turner
Race Official
Veteran
 
John Turner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
United Kingdom
Pontesbury, Shropshire
Posts: 13,226
John Turner will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameJohn Turner will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameJohn Turner will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameJohn Turner will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameJohn Turner will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameJohn Turner will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameJohn Turner will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameJohn Turner will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard tyzack View Post
Dear John, can you put me in touch with Mike Whitaker who won a race this weekend at Goodwood driving his "second" TVR Griffith with standard bodywork and on wire wheels, I need to find out if this car has HTP papers and if so I should be able to start the long battle to get papers for my car.
Thanks in anticipation
Sorry Richard, but I don't have Mike's contact details although pretty sure someone on here does.
John Turner is offline  
__________________
"It's pure joy. This was the perfect training for the WEC after a summer of not racing, even though the car is faster than LMP2." Nicolas Minassian after lapping at 123mph in the Group C Jaguar XJR-14, setting a new outright lap record for the historic GP circuit at Silverstone Classic in 2013!
Quote
Old 12 Sep 2017, 08:40 (Ref:3766207)   #930
GBRM
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
England
Posts: 1,056
GBRM should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Mike is on Facebook or you could contact Nigel directly, as he would've done all the work for Mike and also for many others:- http://www.nigelreubenracing.com/contact.php
GBRM is offline  
__________________
Gregor Marshall
Quote
Old 12 Sep 2017, 09:43 (Ref:3766219)   #931
richard tyzack
Rookie
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Wales
Chepstow
Posts: 11
richard tyzack should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by GBRM View Post
Mike is on Facebook or you could contact Nigel directly, as he would've done all the work for Mike and also for many others:- http://www.nigelreubenracing.com/contact.php
Thanks, I will look him up on Facebook and also give Nigel a call.
richard tyzack is offline  
Quote
Old 12 Sep 2017, 09:52 (Ref:3766221)   #932
richard tyzack
Rookie
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Wales
Chepstow
Posts: 11
richard tyzack should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by GBRM View Post
It also depends what size wheels/tyres that you want to run, I believe you can get FIA papers with a standard body, but only run a narrower tyre (6.5") and if you want papers to run wider tyres, (8") ,then you have to use the wider (ugly) body.
Where it gets confusing is the whole period FIA-sanctioned event, as cars ran at FIA events, but the actual race they ran in in period weren't FIA - not confusing...
I saw that Mike Whitaker was running wires at Goodwood which seems a bit strange, I have the car on 7 inch rims at present and don't want to go any wider, my main target is to run the car in competition on European rallies which is what I built the car for, winning a few high profile events, but then my papers were refused as were many others and I will never butcher the car to comply.
richard tyzack is offline  
Quote
Old 12 Sep 2017, 10:06 (Ref:3766225)   #933
GBRM
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
England
Posts: 1,056
GBRM should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Best thing is to speak to Nigel, as I know when I was involved a few years ago it was either narrow body and slim wheels or wide body and wider wheels, but I think they managed to find some historical evidence of Griffs in period with slightly wider wheels, so a compromise was made.
European rallies will be good, not sure how hot and loud it might get in the cockpit though. I have a great picture of my late Dad at the Tholt-y-Will hill climb and it looks great seeing a Griff on the road, sliding around houses!!
GBRM is offline  
__________________
Gregor Marshall
Quote
Old 12 Sep 2017, 10:30 (Ref:3766230)   #934
Everilda
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
England
Birmingham
Posts: 31
Everilda should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by GBRM View Post
It also depends what size wheels/tyres that you want to run, I believe you can get FIA papers with a standard body, but only run a narrower tyre (6.5") and if you want papers to run wider tyres, (8") ,then you have to use the wider (ugly) body.
Where it gets confusing is the whole period FIA-sanctioned event, as cars ran at FIA events, but the actual race they ran in in period weren't FIA - not confusing...
The Redex Trophy race was a FIA sanctioned International event.

The FIA Calendrier Sportif International for 1965 shows that the Guards International Trophy race at Brands Hatch on 30.8.1965 had two FIA sanctioned events, Sports cars - the main event, The Guards International Trophy and GT cars - The Redex Trophy.

The Redex Trophy was run for GT cars complying with Appendix 'J' (1965) Group 3 to the International Sporting Code.
Everilda is offline  
__________________
Keith Walker
Quote
Old 13 Sep 2017, 05:00 (Ref:3766434)   #935
terence
Veteran
 
terence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Germany
Nordschleife
Posts: 12,853
terence should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridterence should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
That was a bone of contention with the FIA several years back.They claimed that the actual race the Griff took part in was not FIA sanctioned,despite the Event being titled as such.They claimed the sanctioning was only for the F2 or F3 race or whatever it was.But we did get there eventually!!!!
Also we were using 8.5 inch wheels with on minor arch mods,mainly to the bottom front arch/sill areas.These mods were the same on both cars we won the Spa six hour races.
terence is offline  
__________________
Living the dream,Chief instruktor and racing on the worlds best circuits-The Nordschleife and Spa.Getting to drive the worlds best cars-someone has to do it, so glad its me.
Quote
Old 18 Jan 2019, 00:56 (Ref:3876860)   #936
lemanster
Rookie
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3
lemanster should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Hi,does anyone know the history of CRT999C?
Simon.
lemanster is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Jan 2019, 14:12 (Ref:3876991)   #937
Mike Bell
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Veteran
 
Mike Bell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
England
Attleborough- 5 minutes from Snet!
Posts: 14,830
Mike Bell has a real shot at the championship!Mike Bell has a real shot at the championship!Mike Bell has a real shot at the championship!Mike Bell has a real shot at the championship!Mike Bell has a real shot at the championship!Mike Bell has a real shot at the championship!
Welcome Simon. That registration number is mentioned is this thread several years ago (2012), and from memory the car was on display at a classic car show and for sale? A quick search brings up an eBay seller with a magazine for sale featuring the car, but apart from that, sorry I personally can’t help!

Edit- Car for sale at Mike Abbas Classic Cars? Ex Willie Green in period. Suggests Octane 2013 magazine has a write up.....
Mike Bell is offline  
__________________
Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere. (Einstein)
Quote
Old 18 Jan 2019, 14:22 (Ref:3876992)   #938
Peter Mallett
The Honourable Mallett
20KPINAL
 
Peter Mallett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
England
Here and there
Posts: 37,729
Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quick check with the DVLA and it's on SORN.
Peter Mallett is offline  
__________________
I've decided to stop reaching out to people. I'm just going to contact them instead.
Quote
Old 18 Jan 2019, 14:58 (Ref:3876999)   #939
lemanster
Rookie
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3
lemanster should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
As it is one of only 10? right hand drive 400 Griffith's produced ,I'm surprised that no one has any knowledge of the car.The magazine ( difficult to read the text on the net,and on a phone screen!),seems to suggest that the " paper work ", says 200 on it, not 400,but TVR paperwork is " fuzzy"?.
lemanster is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Jan 2019, 15:29 (Ref:3877004)   #940
Everilda
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
England
Birmingham
Posts: 31
Everilda should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
CRT 999C is one of approx 42 UK built TVR Griffiths. The UK cars were called 200s but had a Manx tail. The 400 Griffith was a US car. There were a further 10 TVR Griffiths built after Martin Lilley took over the company, after that they were SWB Tuscans.

The car was rebuilt by Willie Green and put up for sale in about 2012. It was advertised as FiA but it is not. I believe it is still for sale by Mike Abbas.

CRT 999C was sold by the Viking Motors TVR dealership and registered in Ipswich in March 1965. Early owners were John Spence and John Earls.
Everilda is offline  
__________________
Keith Walker
Quote
Old 18 Jan 2019, 15:42 (Ref:3877008)   #941
Peter Mallett
The Honourable Mallett
20KPINAL
 
Peter Mallett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
England
Here and there
Posts: 37,729
Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!
I have some sympathy with the FIA since they have to have a baseline for eligibility and in the case of App K pre 65 they use the "international race" criteria. As far as I can tell there is only one expert to turn to for these Griffs and that is Nigel Ruebens.

He may be the person to approach with questions about this vehicle.
Peter Mallett is offline  
__________________
I've decided to stop reaching out to people. I'm just going to contact them instead.
Quote
Old 18 Jan 2019, 16:12 (Ref:3877014)   #942
Everilda
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
England
Birmingham
Posts: 31
Everilda should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
That's Nigel Reuben
Everilda is offline  
__________________
Keith Walker
Quote
Old 18 Jan 2019, 16:33 (Ref:3877016)   #943
Peter Mallett
The Honourable Mallett
20KPINAL
 
Peter Mallett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
England
Here and there
Posts: 37,729
Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Yes well spotted. Him.
Peter Mallett is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Jan 2019, 20:36 (Ref:3877078)   #944
lemanster
Rookie
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3
lemanster should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Thank you for the replies,all very educational.
Why is it not FIA?
Thanks.
lemanster is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Jan 2019, 20:59 (Ref:3877080)   #945
Peter Mallett
The Honourable Mallett
20KPINAL
 
Peter Mallett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
England
Here and there
Posts: 37,729
Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!
No idea. Perhaps if you have time you could read through the thread. There must be some that are compliant but apart from Goodwood you don't see many racing. I do recall one blasting past me at Silverstone a few years ago. Very impressive.
Peter Mallett is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Jan 2019, 22:14 (Ref:3877086)   #946
Everilda
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
England
Birmingham
Posts: 31
Everilda should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
If you are looking to buy this car as a Fia car, i suggest you examine the papers before you buy. I don't think they will be current.

if you want a Fia car then you need to talk to Nigel Reuben at http://www.nigelreubenracing.com

CRT 999C could be converted to Fia spec at a cost.

The John Spires Fia car JFR 600E (which was the last of the 10 Martin Lilley built Griffs) has just sold at Silverstone auctions for £165 000. It has a Nigel Reuben rolling chassis and bodywork.
Everilda is offline  
__________________
Keith Walker
Quote
Old 19 Jan 2019, 10:52 (Ref:3877163)   #947
zefarelly
Veteran
 
zefarelly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
European Union
Posts: 9,718
zefarelly has a real shot at the podium!zefarelly has a real shot at the podium!zefarelly has a real shot at the podium!zefarelly has a real shot at the podium!
The FiA have just inspected a very original Griffith for reference.

It'll be interesting to see if they see anything similar on an current race cars
zefarelly is offline  
Quote
Old 19 Jan 2019, 11:12 (Ref:3877169)   #948
Everilda
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
England
Birmingham
Posts: 31
Everilda should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
What Griffith was that then?
Everilda is offline  
__________________
Keith Walker
Quote
Old 20 Jan 2019, 17:51 (Ref:3877353)   #949
Terence Bower
Rookie
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Germany
Posts: 39
Terence Bower should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by zefarelly View Post
The FiA have just inspected a very original Griffith for reference.

It'll be interesting to see if they see anything similar on an current race cars


🤣🤣
Terence Bower is offline  
Quote
Old 22 Jan 2019, 11:39 (Ref:3877669)   #950
Duddha
Racer
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
France
Como, Italy
Posts: 457
Duddha should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDuddha should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDuddha should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
I would correct that, what is interesting is to see a leaf spring car for the engine bay picture of the Griffith Homologation and in fact the Willment Coupe CSX2131 if taking the origin of that pic to the full extent....

Then I would say, how is it possible the 400 runs on the homologation of the 200? Aren't they different and not just bodywork? If so that isn't covered by the special body rule of Appendix J of period.

Added to that, would the TVR crew put together a base of documentation and period pictures of the cars in order to truthfully detail what these were back exactly?

But a car just came up on bringatrailer.com which is supposedly a standard 200 road car from 1965, an interesting car for suspension, parts and all to look at. I won't say it's perfect and period as it's had a life but at least it shows what they may have truly looked like.

Last edited by Duddha; 22 Jan 2019 at 11:48.
Duddha is offline  
__________________
The good, the bad, the ugly, it's the law.
Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Saleen S7R Chassis Numbers 19dodge Sportscar & GT Racing 16 31 Jul 2008 18:46
Chassis numbers Thundersports Formula One 5 25 Oct 2007 20:30
March Chassis Numbers Charles Warner Motorsport History 6 13 Jan 2005 16:53
Reynard 2KQ chassis numbers MulsanneMike Sportscar & GT Racing 12 22 Oct 2004 08:11


All times are GMT. The time now is 21:02.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.