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4 Jul 2022, 21:41 (Ref:4118260) | #51 | ||
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Chadwick has won 10 of 18 W Series races now, by far the GOAT in that series...
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29 Sep 2022, 16:00 (Ref:4127875) | #52 | ||
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Nobody.... Presume the FIA/F1 will bail them out.
Im not an expert in finance but i think "net liabilities" is effectivly debt? If so £7.5m of debt looks really bad for the future. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-...ant-financial/ Also noted that they arent using their normal cars this weekend but the Toyota Gazoo Racing series cars from NZ Last edited by tux; 29 Sep 2022 at 16:08. |
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29 Sep 2022, 19:52 (Ref:4127890) | #53 | ||
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That was always planned. As W Series use sea freight, there was no way of getting the Tatuus-Abarths to the US in time from Singapore. Hence the use of the New Zealand cars instead. The same cars were also used in Spain as the regular ones hadn't been returned from Miami.
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30 Sep 2022, 07:59 (Ref:4127913) | #54 | |
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To all those who have always wondered how the financials could possibly make any sense in this series, it seems we have the answer.
They don't. |
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3 Oct 2022, 09:18 (Ref:4128515) | #55 | |
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It's a great pity. The racing has been good. Better in some cases than F1 and much better than Formula E. Getting Jamie into a F1 car even for testing would help. Motorsport has been lacking good female racers and it needs to be less sexist.
I see no issue from photo shoots, they pay the bills. These days people like Jenson, Nico and Mark have a steady income from promoting fashion so why should not the girls? |
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3 Oct 2022, 09:55 (Ref:4128517) | #56 | ||
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Unfortunately, being in the top team, and being the most experienced driver, finishing ninth (and pretty much last) in the Formula Regional Europe championship in 2020 while her team mates finished 1,2,3 in the championship shows the level Jamie is really at. |
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3 Oct 2022, 12:19 (Ref:4128528) | #57 | ||
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How many male drivers have chanced their arm in competition of that sort and come up short? A great many, yet almost nobody mentions them. Somewhere, some time, a female driver will get the chance to race regularly at junior levels for several years against male counterparts and gain the extra racecraft and experience to beat them. Until then, female drivers will always be compared with the best male drivers in any competition they enter, where they should be rated against the worst. In that championship Jamie Chadwick beat two other full season drivers, both of whom have now fallen off the single-seater ladder and taken fairly safe seats in GT and Ligier series instead. Unfortunately, female drivers seem to do very well in early-series karting (Bambino and the next couple of levels, and into junior tin-top series) but then drop out for a large variety of reasons, a lot of which are down to sponsorship. Also unfortunately, the lack of sponsorship is sometimes said to be because a lot of female drivers drop out - it's a circular problem. |
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3 Oct 2022, 23:58 (Ref:4128607) | #59 | ||
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I don't necessarily disagree, but just being at Prema doesn't mean that she was receiving equal treatment. Nothing to do with gender, but Chadwick is far from a well-funded racing driver whereas both Petecoff and Leclerc are very well-funded. They could afford more track time in cars, probably spent a lot more time in karts as kids, could afford more/better mechanics/personal trainers/coaches, maybe new chassis throughout the year, etc. Not to downplay their achievements at all, but there are advantages to going racing with more money, especially when you're at an earlier stage in your career.
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10 Oct 2022, 19:20 (Ref:4129780) | #60 | |
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So it's been canned. Anyone think it will come back in 2023?
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11 Oct 2022, 09:13 (Ref:4129855) | #61 | |
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I think it will be back in 2023. Whether or not it should be back is another discussion.
I really don't have a good answer to the problem that W Series is trying to solve, but I don't think W Series is the answer. Maybe taking the amount of money it cost to run W Series and putting it being 2-3 of the best female drivers and seeing where they get? One problem Jamie Chadwick has is that she's not that good (but equally, not that terrible), but she's hardly going to get the development she needs to get to improve when she wins so easily in a series full of drivers worse than her. |
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11 Oct 2022, 09:47 (Ref:4129860) | #62 | |
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Not sure I can see it. I always suspected the business plan was to bring in external investment and make an early exit from the business with a profit, which was always unlikely.
I wonder now if creditors will be looking for the hardware to pay off debts - not that bringing 16-20 Tatuus F318s to a very limited market is going to realise much. |
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11 Oct 2022, 09:48 (Ref:4129861) | #63 | |
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I think it'll be back in 2023, but not like we've seen it. It's hard to justify flying around the world - but 5 stop European tour with double headers will be much more affordable.
But I wouldn't be surprised if you're right and this is the last we see of it. |
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Yeah. I've been watching some GT4 and BritCar recently. Enjoyable for the same reasons - some stuff that happens is wild.
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11 Oct 2022, 14:30 (Ref:4129908) | #66 | ||
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As long as the top drivers return rather than step up, I'm not interested.
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12 Oct 2022, 01:37 (Ref:4129973) | #67 | ||
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Can't help feeling that rather than running a W series, it might make more sense to run a W team (or teams) in F3, maybe F2 over time - take the "staircase of talent" approach for W drivers and team crew that JYS took when Paul Stewart Racing was set up.
Mr Coulthard was part of that staircase at PSR, if he's still involved in W Series he can explain it to the others. To me, there is more potential from that approach to develop talent than there is running a mediocre series with no genuinely pacy competitors - would probably cost similar amount or maybe even less but if developing W talent is the aim, could ultimately be a much better way to go. |
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Womens soccer and rugby has really taken off, so why should not the W series?
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I don't think anyone has said the concept absolutely cannot work - just that right now it clearly is not. Related: The Iron Dames are currently doing excellent things. |
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17 Oct 2022, 13:46 (Ref:4130595) | #73 | ||
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I support equality. I agree with Pippa Mann that segregating drivers is a bad idea.
Extreme E has mixed relays, a format with I love in any sport. Of course it wouldn't make sense in a junior formula series. But neither does W Series, which has a triple champion that can't step up. |
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I am a touring car and sports car guy so when I am thinking of female drivers names like Michelle Halder, Sophia Florsch, Jessica Backman, etc. pop up. For me they did more for motorsport than W Series.
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