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26 Oct 2005, 11:37 (Ref:1443845) | #1 | |
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Argentine GP from 2007? - Too many races?
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Apparently saying that Argentina wants to host a GP again from 2007. With Fuji possibly hosting another race, Mexico, Russia, India and South Africa also interested we could see a season with up to 24 races in. Do you think this is too many? If some existing races were to go to make room for others, which would you prefer to see disappear? |
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A season with 24 races ???
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26 Oct 2005, 11:44 (Ref:1443854) | #3 | ||
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Imola, Hungary and Hockenheim. All those tracks are not good enough for F1 anymore, due to the fact that they are too small (hungary) or the fact that they are not providing good races anymore ( Imola since the chicanes etc. and Hockenheim since its not Hockenheim anymore)
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Ron Dennis said before a recent teams meeting that most teams don't want more than 18 races, because of the impact it has on the lives of their employees
Hockenheim always provides good racing, incidentally, although I could easily do without Hungary and Imola |
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26 Oct 2005, 12:05 (Ref:1443869) | #5 | ||
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There are consant stories about Spa losing its race (tragic), and it seems Imola has been on the list for a while, too. I would disagree with Hockenheim... I will admit that I don't like the nature of the new track compared to its classic layout, but it has provided good races in the past couple of years, has a good attendance and good TV ratings, and has a lot of support from BMW and Mercedes.
I wouldn't mind seeing Hungary off the calendar, it is such a boring track... but I would hate it for the Hungarian fans. |
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26 Oct 2005, 12:52 (Ref:1443914) | #7 | ||
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I'd get rid of San Marino, Nurburgring, Hungary, Magny-Course (surely there's a better track somewhere in France, ie. Paul Ricard or Le Mans), and swap Indy for Watkins Glen or Laguna Seca. |
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Less testing-more racing-if teams are paid per race I think most will opt for more races? |
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26 Oct 2005, 17:43 (Ref:1444152) | #11 | ||
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One of Flav's suggestions last year was scrap testing as we know it and keep the three day G.P. weekend by using the Friday for testing, Saturday for practice and qualifying and Sunday as race day. Sounds good to me.
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26 Oct 2005, 17:49 (Ref:1444164) | #12 | ||
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24 full weekends away from families is quite a big deal for teams today - so many of their staff have young families. Workign during the week lcoally (as in testing) is much less of a big deal from that perspective. Teams need every mechanic working together in a well-drilled and motivated team today, they can't chop adn change as they did in the old days. And quite frequently back-to-back races mean spending 2 full weeks away from families, whcih must be torture. NASCAR isn't a good comparison because the races are all within one country, usually a short flight away if that.
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26 Oct 2005, 18:01 (Ref:1444186) | #14 | |
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NASCAR manage to do a lot more races, often involving greater distances than the F1 circus and let's face it... selling sponsorship for 24 races is a lot easier and lucrative than 16, isn't it ? Here's how to do it practically.
Scrap testing. Make the GP a 3 day event, with Friday confined to testing only. Alternate fly-away races with European races so that you have a race every 2 weeks, but only a fly-away or European race every 4 weekends. With the exception of the drivers, each equipe has two teams - one for flyaways, one for European races. The only heavy travellers will be the team principles and the drivers... who, let's face it get paid enough to bring their families with them if they so desire. So common' guys, nominate me for Max's job next time round ! |
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really the only solution for more than 20 races has to be a longer mid season break that has to be enforced. |
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26 Oct 2005, 20:52 (Ref:1444424) | #17 | |
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Chilli I'm not so sure. I think the budgets these teams have make it more than possible. Think about it. Minardi's budget for the year would make you a front runner in any other series. If they add more races to the season, its better for us fans... and the teams rake in a lot more money. With more cost-cutting too, they can absolutely afford to run multiple teams and cars a la NASCAR and still allow their team members a family life. Airline crews have far more rigorous arrangements and there are a lot more of them, getting paid a lot less, in comparison to F1 teams.
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26 Oct 2005, 21:02 (Ref:1444436) | #18 | |
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Team bosses are already complaining about the length of an F1 season. I can't see them being too thrilled about having 5 FURTHER race weekends to cram in. I wouldn't mind of course, but it's not practical.
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i thinks its too diffficult to compare the number of races between nascar and f1. a large part of nascar's appeal comes from the grassroots atmosphere a majority of teams employ. they are family run/or relativley small business affairs. you bring your family and whole team with you (and thats is mainly because the distances travelled are much smaller) f1 is just too different.
for me im just worried that more races will result in a lower quality product. |
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The main point is, is there actually any reason to have a season woth 20+ rounds? 16 was enough for me in the past, 19 is more than enough. In any case, the new tracks would be just as bland and tedious as the current ones. 20 should be the maximum. There has to be a limit. F1 is not NASCAR. |
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NASCAR doesn't involve advanced team-developed technology or a huge variety of races, so the technical challenge is minor by comparison. Also, with 24 races and regular 2-week breaks, surely that means only a 6-week winter break for teams to perfect their new cars? Having two seperate pitcrews isn't really practical either - teams can't function without guys like Ross Brawn there, and hiring enough quality staff and gelling them into two tightly knit teams would be a huge task. Also, put yourself in the shoes of a mechanic, watching a race on TV knowing that you should be involved in it, especially if your stand-in makes a mistake? |
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More races is a bad thing for another reason - you should always leave the viewer wanting more, rather than give them F1 fatigue
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There's no sign of viewer fatigue in NASCAR, in fact quite the contrary, and they've a lot more than 20 races a year. There's certainly the demand for more F1, no question.
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