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Old 9 Aug 2019, 09:26 (Ref:3922051)   #1601
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Come on Guys, it really is getting serious now...…

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When did I say I was an immigrant? I'm a proud Yorkshireman , me , and I'll see you outside if you suggest otherwise . Must dash , whippet to walk .

Based on your self-reported Family history.
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 10:18 (Ref:3922056)   #1603
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When it comes down to it, I think that it is fair to say that we will all have some immigrant roots in our background - some more recent than others.

My own lineage is that my maternal family came from Russia - both grandparents were born there, but married in the UK - whilst my paternal family came from Poland and I think that they were born there.

Being Jewish, neither families felt very welcome in their own countries and came to the UK in the later part of the nineteenth century. Those that remained did not survive the onslaughts on the Jewish people in either Russia or Poland. And I am the last remaining descendant of either family who knows or cares anything about our family histories because our children take no interest in the past.
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 22:03 (Ref:3922139)   #1604
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When it comes down to it, I think that it is fair to say that we will all have some immigrant roots in our background - some more recent than others.

Very true.

On my paternal side somewhere (I think maybe Great Grandfather but possibly one step further back) was a gentleman from Germany who came to live in the UK.

No, nothing royal in the connection despite the similarities. He became a Policeman in London.

We have a family tree that identified the links to the German side of the family and from there came their tree that goes back to around the mid 1600s if memory serves. Very detailed records kept in Germany. Much less detailed in England.

My maternal Grandmother came from Cork so a proven Irish connection too though I don't think that has been traced back very far beyond her generation.
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This just seems to be more and more appropriate:
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Old 10 Aug 2019, 04:38 (Ref:3922165)   #1606
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Old 10 Aug 2019, 06:56 (Ref:3922168)   #1607
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Not really - we are in a hopeless mess, and Parliament just reflects the deep divide created by the Brexit farce in the wider population . I suspect it will take decades for the country to recover equilibrium - and it is all thanks to call me bloody Dave
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Old 10 Aug 2019, 07:10 (Ref:3922169)   #1608
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Mmm....

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Not really - we are in a hopeless mess, and Parliament just reflects the deep divide created by the Brexit farce in the wider population . I suspect it will take decades for the country to recover equilibrium - and it is all thanks to call me bloody Dave
Whilst I agree it's due to Cameron remain voters forget that We were offered a general election. On the basis of the referendum; we had the referendum and in the.biggest turn out ever (?) The vote was to.leave.

Then we had another general election where the conniving remain politicians hoped to secure a big majority. Sadly.May was so useless she screwed their idea and so a minority government was the outcome. And thst is the problem. Had the remain camp accepted the result of the.original referendum this almighty mess would not exist. As they say if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the.problem.

Aaand don't buy.the current "I told you so" comments concerning the latest business news. What nobody tells you is how badly Italy and now Germany are doing in terms of trade. They are on, if not tipped over, the cliff edge.

France is not far behind.
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Whilst I agree it's due to Cameron remain voters forget that We were offered a general election. On the basis of the referendum; we had the referendum and in the.biggest turn out ever (?) The vote was to.leave.

Then we had another general election where the conniving remain politicians hoped to secure a big majority. Sadly.May was so useless she screwed their idea and so a minority government was the outcome. And thst is the problem. Had the remain camp accepted the result of the.original referendum this almighty mess would not exist. As they say if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the.problem.

Aaand don't buy.the current "I told you so" comments concerning the latest business news. What nobody tells you is how badly Italy and now Germany are doing in terms of trade. They are on, if not tipped over, the cliff edge.

France is not far behind.

Peter; "There are none so blind as they that will not see"

I have noticed over the last three years that virtually all of the 'abuse, or insults' have been thrown by the Remainers. It is them who fill the pages of the cheaper papers with their denigration of Leavers, aided and abetted by the Media in general.


But then I am all in favour President Trump, such a change from slimy politicos like Obama.
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Old 10 Aug 2019, 17:03 (Ref:3922207)   #1611
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So you like deceitful, xenophobic, racist bullies then?
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Not really which is why I dislike Marnier and his ilk.
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So you like deceitful, xenophobic, racist bullies then?
Funny that, more people voted to leave the EU and more people voted for Donald Trump.

At least Coppice, I am in the majority.
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Funny that, more people voted to leave the EU and more people voted for Donald Trump.

At least Coppice, I am in the majority.

If I can correct you on one point, Trump did not win the popular vote, i.e. the number of individual votes. Clinton won that particular part by around 2 to 3 million, but that is not wins elections in the USA.

There, with the college voting system, there are about 350 "delegates" that actually control the outcome of the whole election. And American voting laws permits these "delegates" to ignore the wishes of their constituents and cast their ballots in a contradictory way.

And America likes to tell the world that they are democratic!
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If I can correct you on one point, Trump did not win the popular vote, i.e. the number of individual votes. Clinton won that particular part by around 2 to 3 million, but that is not wins elections in the USA.

There, with the college voting system, there are about 350 "delegates" that actually control the outcome of the whole election. And American voting laws permits these "delegates" to ignore the wishes of their constituents and cast their ballots in a contradictory way.

And America likes to tell the world that they are democratic!
Not a million miles away from the EU system.
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Not a million miles away from the EU system.

Or the UK system given that the elected MPs have no obligation to follow the voting preferences of their constituents. Nor a say in how the candidate is chosen.

But then democracy remains a dream on the bucket list of life for many.
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Ah, a brexit commemorative coin. That’ll make everything perfect, then!

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Could be worth as much as 45p by Christmas!
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Or the UK system given that the elected MPs have no obligation to follow the voting preferences of their constituents. Nor a say in how the candidate is chosen.

But then democracy remains a dream on the bucket list of life for many.
Other than generally we vote for a manifesto and that is what the MPs are obliged to follow. The current circs are somewhat different. The MPs should follow their constituents not their own personal agendas. This is why some are being deselelected.
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…., more people voted for Donald Trump.
Actually, that's untrue, Bob. Clinton had nearly 3 million votes more than Trump. Just saying …..

Ooops, just spotted Mike's post saying the same. I'll grab me coat!

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Ooops, just spotted Mike's post saying the same. I'll grab me coat!
Leave your coat on the rack John. More of the people who counted voted for Trump. How anybody other than Bill could have voted for Hilary is beyond my understanding, A truly dreadful woman.
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Other than generally we vote for a manifesto and that is what the MPs are obliged to follow. The current circs are somewhat different. The MPs should follow their constituents not their own personal agendas. This is why some are being deselelected.
A Manifesto?

You mean the list of stuff that they tout to people when appealing for their support and then quickly misplace once the need for the support is in the past?

"Events, dear boy, events".
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Yes I do mean that and it is the principle upon which Mps are voted. I am not suggesting that the Mps then stick to it but it is the basis of our general elections.
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Yes I do mean that and it is the principle upon which Mps are voted. I am not suggesting that the Mps then stick to it but it is the basis of our general elections.
Indeed it is Peter but over the years I have come to question the validity of the concept.

They are, for all practical purposes, just another form of Dodgy Dossier.

The only bits that seem to be enacted are those that are common to all parties or those bound to fail at some point before the next election, thus making them pre-prepared targets for criticism.

Almost like the 'opposition' allowed them through on purpose ...

Still, I suppose it gives the denizens of Westminster something to do.
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Corrected that for you, Bob!
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