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Old 16 Mar 2005, 14:00 (Ref:1253443)   #1
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The Homologation Process

My questions are not brought on about the Maserati in particular, more general questions about the process. I understand it in principal; that a car is accepted to run with a certain level of equipment, i.e., engine size, transmission type, body shape, etc. and etc. But who presents the car for homologation approval? Does that always have to come from the manufacturer, or can an individual present a car also?

Using something like the Nissan 350Z, which I don't even know to be homologated for ACO competion: Can I submit for approval, or does that have to come from Nissan?

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Old 16 Mar 2005, 14:14 (Ref:1253453)   #2
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The manufacturer has to confirm certain things like construction methods, production capacities etc. Otherwise they don't have to be involved at all.

If I recall correctly, Prodrive had a hard time getting the necessary paperwork out of Ferrari for the 550...
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Old 16 Mar 2005, 14:35 (Ref:1253473)   #3
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Hence they brought out the road legal Ferrari 550 "Le Mans" edition to keep the homologation geeks happy.
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Old 16 Mar 2005, 15:31 (Ref:1253501)   #4
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Nissan 350Z is already homologated to NGT by Nissan

Curiously, so is the Mazda MX5 so theres no reason why you couldnt enter one in say British GT, I dont believe they could reasonably refuse an entry to an Homologated car even if they do not consider it a proper GT car

There are actually very few GT or NGT Homologated cars available to chose from, and the process is far too onerous for small volume manufacturers.
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Old 16 Mar 2005, 15:42 (Ref:1253506)   #5
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How many road going versions must be produced for homologation in GT2/N-GT?

I believe the number is 25 for GT1/GT correct?
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Old 16 Mar 2005, 15:43 (Ref:1253509)   #6
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I could be wrong, but I think the number of cars depends on how large the manufactorer is (i.e. how many cars they make a year).
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There are actually very few GT or NGT Homologated cars available to chose from, and the process is far too onerous for small volume manufacturers.
Unless, I guess, you are someone like Spyker, Morgan or TVR, who have made it a mission to race their wares?

I had totally forgotten about Prodrive and the 550! As I recall, they had to purchase used 550's in marketplace because Ferrari wouldn't sell them one? I guess the Taurus use of the VW V10 Diesel is related, in that they figured VW wouldn't approve and thus wouldn't sell them an engine.

So a privateer would have a challenge having a car homologated unless the manufacturer agreed to supply detailed information, which I am sure would cost an extensive amount of money to compile and also be approved by the legal people, etc. within the corporation?

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Old 16 Mar 2005, 15:52 (Ref:1253520)   #8
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How many road going versions must be produced for homologation in GT2/N-GT?

I believe the number is 25 for GT1/GT correct?
The ACO were once talking about upping the minimuium requirement for carbon chassied GT1 cars to 100 for major manufactuers, such as Maserati, and keeping the 25 limit for smaller manufactuers.
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Maserati is a major manufacturer??? How many cars do they sell compared to GM?
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I have always thought that the holmogation requirements were a little, shall I say "funny" for instance - The Chevy Vette has no homologation issues dispite the fact that the Pratt and Miller C6R bares no resemblance at all to its road going counterpart. The Saleen S7R on the other hand is very much like the car that you and I can buy from the manufacturer. Because of its construction constraints and exotic pricetag, the S7R is made is far less quantities and costs much more than its Vette street counterpart. It seems that this was a major obsticle in the Saleen being homologated.

The homologation process seems very much cut and paste to suit the needs (or wants) of the ACO. All they seem to care about is if the "street version" of the racer is made in enough quantities.

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Maserati is a major manufacturer??? How many cars do they sell compared to GM?
How many cars do FIAT sell?

Don't Ferrari have the biggest budget in F1, even against the likes of Honda etc.

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I have always thought that the holmogation requirements were a little, shall I say "funny" for instance - The Chevy Vette has no homologation issues dispite the fact that the Pratt and Miller C6R bares no resemblance at all to its road going counterpart. The Saleen S7R on the other hand is very much like the car that you and I can buy from the manufacturer. Because of its construction constraints and exotic pricetag, the S7R is made is far less quantities and costs much more than its Vette street counterpart. It seems that this was a major obsticle in the Saleen being homologated.


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Thats always been the case.

A WRC car has no resemblence whatsoever to its road going counterpart, yet 25,000 road cars are required.

Maybe the best GT regs are the JGTC GT500 ones. So much freedom is allowed, compared to the basic road car, that even a ten plus year old design like the Honda NSX can be competitive. The only problem then is development costs.
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But that is Ferrari's goal, to race. It has always been that way. Honda could care less about racing. They want the marketing exposure. Most manufacturers are in it for the exposure. Which is why F1 continues to make less sense from a manufacturer view point. Hopefully they see the light soon.
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But that is Ferrari's goal, to race. It has always been that way. Honda could care less about racing. They want the marketing exposure. Most manufacturers are in it for the exposure. Which is why F1 continues to make less sense from a manufacturer view point. Hopefully they see the light soon.
My point was its FIAT money, same as Maserati.
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How much money does Ferrari get from FIAT?
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