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Old 26 Aug 2006, 01:41 (Ref:1691846)   #1
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karimbo has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
Vettel quite impressive !!

He's only 19.

It was maybe his 2nd time in an F1 car.

He is currently driving in the F3 Euroseries.

He raced 2 races in World Series by Renault. (He won them both)

How can you explain the fact that some ex-world champions need a year or so to "adapt" to their new cars after leaving F1 for 8 months and a teenager out of Formula 3, on an unknown track to him performs like this ?

I know, I know, the 3rd drivers have different cars, but come on !!

Mario Thiessen must be laughing his head off...
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Old 26 Aug 2006, 01:49 (Ref:1691847)   #2
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It was more than a little impressive. BMW seem to have several very promising drivers on their books ready to spring on F1. Watching how Kubica goes may be a reasonable measure of Vettel's ability. If Kubica reguarly beats Heidfeld & is scoring points & Vettel continues to top the time sheets as Kubica did then he can be considered even more impressive.
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Old 26 Aug 2006, 02:19 (Ref:1691851)   #3
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By the way, I forgot to mention that Vettel's helmet has a Red Bull logo on hit.

Exactly like the one on Webber's and DC's car for next year.

If I'd be Webber or DC, I would start worrying for my job...
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Old 26 Aug 2006, 02:23 (Ref:1691852)   #4
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I was going to start a thread on him like "who is he?"

but thanks for the brief outline on him karimbo

certainly a very impressive job and a name to watch for the not so distant future it would seem
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Old 26 Aug 2006, 02:30 (Ref:1691855)   #5
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very impressive indeed and with his 19 year old boyish look and super quick lap time, he is going to put alot of pressure on older folks like Nick, which is now being linked to Toyota.

It will be interesting to see how Vettel perform in other circuit.

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Old 26 Aug 2006, 02:31 (Ref:1691856)   #6
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Anthony Davidson has years of F1 experience and is driving a car that is almost always superior to the BMW. Do we really believe Vettel, with no experience in a F1 car aside from two tests (I don't know about his Williams test but in the BMW test he was slow. Where do you think his sudden speed came from today? ) is substantially quicker than AD? He was half a second faster than AD and then you have to factor in AD's superior car. Please. Vettel is pulling a Kubica. BMW can't contend when it counts so they fool around with fumes and high revs on Friday.

At his Jerez test he was 12th quickest out of 12 drivers, a whopping second slower than Kubica. Where was all this "speed" last month???

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Old 26 Aug 2006, 02:49 (Ref:1691863)   #7
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I think you are spot on VT...
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Old 26 Aug 2006, 02:57 (Ref:1691865)   #8
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I think the only surprising thing is that low fuel and higher revs makes such a huge difference.
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Old 26 Aug 2006, 03:12 (Ref:1691869)   #9
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What happened to Kubica's "amazing" speed? Over two seconds slower than Vettel? If Kubica is the next MS, what is Vettel?

1. Sebastian Vettel / Germany / Sauber-BMW / 1:28.091
2. Felipe Massa / Brazil Ferrari / 1:28.164
3. Jenson Button / Britain / Honda / 1:28.506
4. Anthony Davidson / British / Honda / 1:28.598
5. Ralf Schumacher / Germany / Toyota / 1:28.614
6. Michael Schumacher / Germany / Ferrari / 1:28.819
7. Robert Doornbos / Netherlands / Red Bull-Ferrari / 1:28.848
8. Kimi Raikkonen / Finland / McLaren-Mercedes / 1:29.042
9. Pedro de la Rosa / Spain / McLaren-Mercedes / 1:29.112
10. Rubens Barrichello / Brazil / Honda / 1:29.214
11. Giorgio Mondini / Switzerland / MF1-Toyota / 1:29.719
12. Fernando Alonso / Spain / Renault / 1:29.741
13. Neel Jani / Switzerland / Toro Rosso-Cosworth / 1:29.858
14. Scott Speed / United States / Toro Rosso-Cosworth / 1:29.890
15. Jarno Trulli / Italy / Toyota / 1:30.006
16. Franck Montagny / France / Super Aguri-Honda / 1:30.491
17. Robert Kubica / Poland / Sauber-BMW / 1:30.502
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Old 26 Aug 2006, 03:20 (Ref:1691872)   #10
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What happened to Kubica's "amazing" speed? Over two seconds slower than Vettel? If Kubica is the next MS, what is Vettel?

1. Sebastian Vettel / Germany / Sauber-BMW / 1:28.091
2. Felipe Massa / Brazil Ferrari / 1:28.164
3. Jenson Button / Britain / Honda / 1:28.506
4. Anthony Davidson / British / Honda / 1:28.598
5. Ralf Schumacher / Germany / Toyota / 1:28.614
6. Michael Schumacher / Germany / Ferrari / 1:28.819
7. Robert Doornbos / Netherlands / Red Bull-Ferrari / 1:28.848
8. Kimi Raikkonen / Finland / McLaren-Mercedes / 1:29.042
9. Pedro de la Rosa / Spain / McLaren-Mercedes / 1:29.112
10. Rubens Barrichello / Brazil / Honda / 1:29.214
11. Giorgio Mondini / Switzerland / MF1-Toyota / 1:29.719
12. Fernando Alonso / Spain / Renault / 1:29.741
13. Neel Jani / Switzerland / Toro Rosso-Cosworth / 1:29.858
14. Scott Speed / United States / Toro Rosso-Cosworth / 1:29.890
15. Jarno Trulli / Italy / Toyota / 1:30.006
16. Franck Montagny / France / Super Aguri-Honda / 1:30.491
17. Robert Kubica / Poland / Sauber-BMW / 1:30.502
I guess that if Vettel is pulling a Kubica, then Kubica is pulling a Villeneuve. He is pulling a Villeneuve after having pushed out Villeneuve.
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Old 26 Aug 2006, 03:24 (Ref:1691873)   #11
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At his Jerez test he was 12th quickest out of 12 drivers, a whopping second slower than Kubica. Where was all this "speed" last month???

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=28615
Absolutely true. That was THE FIRST TIME EVER in his life he drove a F1. He did not test drive his car for 15 000Km ( equal to one and a half Formula1 season) like JV did before the 1996 season....
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Old 26 Aug 2006, 03:32 (Ref:1691875)   #12
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I was going to start a thread on him like "who is he?"

but thanks for the brief outline on him karimbo

certainly a very impressive job and a name to watch for the not so distant future it would seem
www.sebastianvettel.de

Check it out, it's in German but if you click on Galerien or Bildengalerien you will see lots of pictures of his racing karts and winning. (Unlike some drivers BMW had in the past).

In 2004 he was Formula BMW champion winning 18 out of 20 races.
In 2003 he was runner up and rookie champion.

Hurry up, Doktor Thiessen will have the site shut down shortly to "gain kontrol"...

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Old 26 Aug 2006, 03:33 (Ref:1691876)   #13
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So where did he gain all this speed since July? He went from being the slowest of 12 drivers, a second slower than Kubica, to being the fastest driver and about 2 1/2 seconds faster than Kubica. Where did he gain 3 1/2 seconds relative to Kubica?

Karimbo, why was JV given all that testing? Anyone could have won in that car, right? Why waste all that time and money on testing a fraud behind the wheel who was in a car that anyone, even a fraud, could win in? Couldn't they have just found a cheap, unknown driver like some other team principals to do what anyone could do?

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Old 26 Aug 2006, 03:41 (Ref:1691877)   #14
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Kubica pulling a Villeneuve? Has he won a race or something?
He only drove One F1 race and did perform better than JV. (That's why JV is out of a job now.)

He actually won races LAST YEAR in the World Renault Series.

The Last time JV won a race, it was in the last century (1997 to be precise). Kubica was 12 years old... And Vettel only 9 or 10.

Time goes by fast... (unlike some ex-F1 drivers)
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Old 26 Aug 2006, 03:45 (Ref:1691878)   #15
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Mario T disagrees with you. He has said JV's performance was good. So why was he was sacked? It seems to make room for a young driver, with the other seat reserved for a German.

Where do you think Kubica will qualify in a few hours?
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