NSW government approves V8 street race??/Homebush (merged)

[Steve Carter]

Originally Posted by aussie_xr8

Have you been to olympic park? There is water fountains at the bottom middle and top of the circuits. Heat isnt an issue There are plenty of places to get out of the sun. Timing im not sure when else you could hold the race.

March to October is footy season. After that the races we have now are traditional. You will still have 3 weeks before christmas to spend your hard earned on the family.

If you truely wish to attend and have a good time you will make it happen but if your the person who finds way not to attend then the living room is maybe the place for you.

Yes half a dozen or more times over the last 8 yrs - mostly in summer and shelter there isnt next to the proposed circuit - they will be open grandstands or public access - corporates thats another thing.

Timing is an issue as Adelaide have the opener and Indy is October and the RL takes up residence for the middle part - NSW have missed out timing wise.
To be honest I really dont care if it works or not - its a stale series not worth watching (except for Bathurst) - I'm 54 and have been a keen observer of motor sport for 45 years in all formulae both 2 & 4 wheels - but these days ala the rubbish that is F1 I dont have a lot of interest in contrived and controlled series which both are - give me formula Fords or anything with free form design like sports sedans the old Can Am series 66-74 and then your talking - NASCAR are finding the same things with their 3 tiered series and the COT - hardly any race in that league has sold out this year and god dont mention IRL if you see more than the crews there at a race you would be lucky - racing isnt about how much money you can screw out of a series and TV rights - its about the racing which is sadly lacking in many formulae worldwide including V8 Supercars - its all about the money and Ive seen first hand the way Cochranes partner (Erskine) works - its definitely all about the money - yes its an investment in a 'show' (which is Erskines background) well the show is stale - hand it over to someone who can fix it or change the format.

[Casper]

I noted a point that was made in the news today that the promoters are standing the majority of the estimated 13 million dollar cost. It seems if they want it the government told them to pay for it as it should always be. The government doesn't front the money for other entertainment events so why should they for the V8's?

[Steve Carter]

Originally Posted by Casper

I noted a point that was made in the news today that the promoters are standing the majority of the estimated 13 million dollar cost. It seems if they want it the government told them to pay for it as it should always be. The government doesn't front the money for other entertainment events so why should they for the V8's?

Casper the NSW government front the infrastructure costs each year (some $30 mill thats the figure quoted) and V8SA have guaranteed to cover the shortfall if the event fails to meet expectation so you and I are paying for this not Cochrane or Erskine. Meanwhile EC goes on being fully booked and under utilized as a venue and will most likely go the same way as Oran park in time as the NSW government own it.

[D.R.T.]

V8SA current catch cry is that they are assuming all the risk. Now honestly how much risk is there if the Government is supplying 30 odd million than 2-3-4 million each year for V8SA to have complete control over the event?

They have a race track built and torn down each year, all they do is turn up and sell tickets. If they race fails, V8SA leave. Where exactly have they assumed any risk.

[Average Punter]

Spot on DRT.

And in the case of Canberra, there was even a clause in the contract that said if the ACT Government wanted out before 5 years, they had to BUY OUT!

When the race didn't match Cockroach's lofty promises and the ACT Government got cold feet, it actually cost the Government more money to bail out...

[peckstar]

oh come on there is no 30 million each year that the government are paying.

you boys are in dream world

[davelise]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...540296002.html

[peckstar]

Homebush is GO

[bazil]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Homebush is GO

To all the supporters of this exciting new event for Sydney and NSW, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!



To the few, that would no doubt Boo Santa Clause, and who live in a fairy tale world believing that this is bad for Sydney and/or for Motorsport...



Top job TC and WC

[Malfunction Junction]

There's 2 major mistakes people are making here.

1. Numbers. For anybody looking at the "Sydney market", they get mesmorised by the fact that nearly a quarter of the nation's population live within an hour's drive of either Homebusy or EC. They forget that this number includes 45% of the national refugee intake, who associate technology/noise/engines with bad news. There's also a huge number of migrants who associate a V8 with nothing more than a race from the traffic lights and an enormous number of self righteous ******s who only know petrol fumes because they spoil the nose of their latte.... It's not just racing that makes this mistake - Basketball have done (helped by the whole firepower drama) and AFL is about to as well. Think about it, the fastest growing sport in Sydney is Football - the round ball kind that actually uses the feet on the ball. It ain't called the world game for nothing. Throw money at the Sydney Market thinking that the gross number is all that counts and you'll only go one way.

2. Location, location, location.

Why does Oran Park attract bigger crowds that EC? Possibly because there is a very large group of the right demograph reasonably close by. EC isn't that much further, so if they can't go to OP they'll most likely go to EC for an annual event. So EC's next to a tip? As I've written previously, I've never had a problem with the tip, but perhaps I've been lucky. The tip won't be there forever either.

F1 teams won't go to Blacktown? Have you ever been to Sao Paolo?

[peckstar]

oh come on MJ, If thats all you got, then you shouldnt have bothered.

The numbers are for a 3 day crowd of 150k, thats like 60k per day and 30 on the friday, and your talking about migrants or 10% of the population of sydney, then you talk about soccer, of course its the fastest growing, your starting from a small base.

then you talk about location and you have a train stop at the track, seems pretty good, as well as other access

[STEVO]

Originally Posted by Malfunction Junction

F1 teams won't go to Blacktown? Have you ever been to Sao Paolo?

Your comparing Sydney to Sao Paulo or Australia to Brazil?

Well that sums up the arguement right there really...

[GTRMagic]

Rees reckons its worth $110m

[Malfunction Junction]

Originally Posted by STEVO

Your comparing Sydney to Sao Paulo or Australia to Brazil?

Well that sums up the arguement right there really...

I've been to Sao Paolo. In my view it's a toxic dump, dangerous in many ways without getting into the people. If F1 teams go there, they'll happily go to EC. Not that it's ever going to happen but the principle applies that Western Sydney is not as attractive as some parts of our fair land, but it ain't that bad on a world scale.

What is escaping those who think they'll make a motza out of this event is that foxtel, the local pub, a mirror or al-jazeera are the things that appeal most to large chunks of Sydney's population. Why do you think A1GP brought more people to EC than the V8's? The numbers for all forms of sporting entertainment stubbornly refuse to stack up to the percentages of the rest of the nation. The only way this event is going to make the kind of numbers promised is by attracting most attendees from of out of town.

oh come on MJ, If thats all you got, then you shouldnt have bothered.

The numbers are for a 3 day crowd of 150k, thats like 60k per day and 30 on the friday, and your talking about migrants or 10% of the population of sydney, then you talk about soccer, of course its the fastest growing, your starting from a small base.

then you talk about location and you have a train stop at the track, seems pretty good, as well as other access

I'm keeping my posts short, to match the attention span of some readers....

I think you ought to look at the participation numbers, Soccer is second only to Netball.

As for having a train stop at the track, Sandown has one of those and the crowd stayed away in droves. If you think Sandown in June is less attractive than Homebush in December, I've got news for you, especially if they cut down any of the few trees that provide decent shade.

There is excellent bus transport to the site, but whether it's any better than having 2 main roads going right past the circuit (Sandown again) I doubt. In fairness, I'll add here that I've only been to Sandown by train.

Oran Park gets 100,000 or more for the weekend, despite being 15k's from a train station.

The major winners out of this exercise will be the teams, who can book out the Novotel and walk to work.



Edit: Now that I've seen Lee Rhiannon is opposed to the race I'm going to have to think long and hard about supporting it just on principle.....

[TSR]

The Black Wiggle was on the Steve Price radio show in 2ue this morning saying the figures in today SMH and previous edtions of a figure of $90mil are crap made up by the anti v8 paper.
But then again the Radio host is a Wiggle fan and is going to the do tonight.

[GTRMagic]

Mr Cochrane has been quite vocal about the SMH & Mr McKay (without naming him directly) in recent tirades.

I would have thought that you dont influence people positively by effluent canning them and their newspaper (which has 200,000+ readers each day)...

[Pro Racer]

Originally Posted by STEVO

Your comparing Sydney to Sao Paulo or Australia to Brazil?

Well that sums up the arguement right there really...

that really isn't a comparison i agree there, i will also admit the Blacktown area (i live in the area) is abit dumpy, they had the Olympic's which is one of if not the most world class event with every country represented, it's definatly bigger then F1. the venues were at Homebush, Blacktown with the baseball and the regatta centre in Penrith. the place was cleaned up well for that why couldn't they clean it up for F1? i know F1 is annually and the Olympic's was a 1 off but my point is the area has hosted a world class event before so why can't it do it again.

[inpitlane]

Mr Rees says he was forced to approve funding ahead of November's mini-budget to avoid the risk of losing the event to another city.

Could one of the brave journalists up there in the Emerald city please ask the Premier "what city?"
You've got to hand it to Cochrane he's one of the best flim flam men going around.
I'm buying all my snake oil from him from now on.

[GTRMagic]

Singapore?

[peckstar]

oh inpitlane, it saddens me that one in the media can take a comment out of context so easily, you know very well that that is just bad reporting

and besides i reckon you made that quote up, i cant find it anywhere in the listed posts

malfunction junction its hard to accept you posts as having any basis in fact when you try to tell us that OP gets 100k to it over the weekend. i can only assume your over so called stats are wrong also

[inpitlane]

Originally Posted by peckstar

oh inpitlane, it saddens me that one in the media can take a comment out of context so easily, you know very well that that is just bad reporting

and besides i reckon you made that quote up, i cant find it anywhere in the listed posts

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...?section=sport

Prey tell explain how that was out of context. The "out of context" excuse is the journalistic equivalent of "The Dog ate my homework"
The question remains what city Mr Premier? Does anybody really believe the Singapore story, It ranks with the V8's to Siverstone, Donnington, Laguna Seca and South African tales.
One has to wonder did Mr Rees and his staff read the Canberra Auditor General's report at all?
Despite that it'll still be a pretty successful meeting, at least in the short term.

[peckstar]

at less you have given a source now, you know very well that that is just bad jounalism, no other article has mentioned it

[inpitlane]

Originally Posted by peckstar

at less you have given a source now, you know very well that that is just bad jounalism, no other article has mentioned it

You're right, no other article has mentioned it and that is bad journalism.
If Nathan Rees has been labouring under the misapprehension that there's a long line of cities, either in Australia or anywhere else for that matter all desperate to get their hands on a V8 Supercar race then he is misinformed at best or just plain naive. The "we have other people interested" ploy is a staple of salesmen everywhere. Anyone sold or bought a house recently?
Once again I ask the question Mr Rees; Which City ?

[stoned pony]

Peckstar, stop being such a goddam Cochrane apologist and have some independent thought process that does not mirror the bowel motions of Tony Cochrane.
I still recall the early days of Cochrane's rise to power when he said he didn't know anything about motor racing but he knew a lot about business. Nothing has changed.
And yet you believe the sun shines from his anus.

[Oldtony]

The interesting thing about this whole discussion is that it is taking place in a forum where almost by definition the bulk of people participating are motor sport fans.
And the vast majority seem to be against Homebush.
I don't think it's the location, I think it is that the product is almost dead in the Sydney Market, and while this may save V8SC for a year it will put motorsport in general in a very bad light in the country's most sophisticated market.