BTCC Rounds 16 - 18 Silverstone

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

Turks again complains about straight line speed , maybe a dig at TOCA for too low boost ?

wonder if "other cars" he means Infiniti

Hold the press - a BTCC driver has presented an excuse other than 'I didn't perform as well as everyone else' and it's noteworthy?!?!?!?!?

We've already heard most of the front runners give us a reason why everything is against them taking the title, you'd think there was a dose of pessimism given along with ballast.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by codename_47

This is the second time you have posted saying LGBTQI+ lifestyles are "wrong" and I'm not sure why no-one has called you out on it

Because it isn't worth fighting it on a forum where the end result is posts will be deleted. FWIW you are correct though.

[codename_47]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Hold the press - a BTCC driver has presented an excuse other than 'I didn't perform as well as everyone else' and it's noteworthy?!?!?!?!?

We've already heard most of the front runners give us a reason why everything is against them taking the title, you'd think there was a dose of pessimism given along with ballast.

For the first time in history we saw a FWD car outdrag a similarly starting RWD car though, so there must be something in it. s

Why would anyone want to run a RWD machine now when it seems the championship has it out for them?

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by codename_47

This is the second time you have posted saying LGBTQI+ lifestyles are "wrong" and I'm not sure why no-one has called you out on it

You fail to pick up the point. The mainstream media BS of forcing minority groupings/interests down peoples throats was where my jibe was aimed. Don't accuse me of bigotry; assumption simply makes you look an ass.

I have absolutely nothing against Jade Edwards or Nic Hamilton. Women or black people.

Nic Hamilton, if you know him like I do, will know he is a very unassuming young man determined to overcome the challenges mother nature saddled on him. I have massive respect for him. Getting in and out of a road car used to be a major problem. That he can get in a race car and do a decent job is a major achievement.

I do not know Jade at all, but have nothing against her. As I posted earlier she did pretty good and I do hope she has more opportunities in the BTCC.

[bella]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

You fail to pick up the point. The mainstream media BS of forcing minority groupings/interests down peoples throats was where my jibe was aimed. Don't accuse me of bigotry; assumption simply makes you look an ass.

look, again with my moderator hat on, codename_47 isn’t the ass here.

minority interests aren’t being shoved down your throat. nobody is telling you to be gay. nobody is telling you to be non binary. nobody is telling you to be black.

i’ve left your comments in place because i don’t believe in preventing people making idiots of themselves on the internet. but please bear in mind that the best way for people to understand you is to express your opinion and be open to debating it. not making a throw away bait comment on a touring car forum. we have an off-topic forum where you are welcome to post.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by codename_47

For the first time in history we saw a FWD car outdrag a similarly starting RWD car though, so there must be something in it.

Are you referring to off the start-line, or out of corners?

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by bella

minority interests aren’t being shoved down your throat. nobody is telling you to be gay. nobody is telling you to be non binary. nobody is telling you to be black.

Seeing white people on TV: Ok
Seeing black people on TV: Stop shoving black people down my throat!

Seeing straight people on TV: Ok
Seeing LGBTQ+ people on TV: Stop shoving sexual orientation down my throat!

Repeat for women and apparently gingers too.

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Seeing white people on TV: Ok
Seeing black people on TV: Stop shoving black people down my throat!

Seeing straight people on TV: Ok
Seeing LGBTQ+ people on TV: Stop shoving sexual orientation down my throat!

Repeat for women and apparently gingers too.

Surely that's OK for gingers though?

*jokes

[Akrapovic]

[Greem]

Originally Posted by Pickles

Surely that's OK for gingers though?

*jokes

OI.

Pack that in.

Love,

Ex-Ginger (now mostly grey)

[Pringles]

Off topic, but just remember it's Nov the 5th, love a ginger day. All fingers are people to you know.

Much love to all Gingers on 5th Nov.

On topic.

Everyone regardless of race, sexuality, disability or gender has an equal right to be on the grid.

None of that matters and people get too het up in pathetic griping over it, yes it is often hyped up these days and most people in those different groups don't tend to make the big drama out of it that the media and other people do these days.

Things were different many years ago, things are different now, that's the reality, people on balance I would say are much more tolerant these days of people who are different too them, but if they are on a crusade then people lose respect for them, not everything needs to be some major crusade.

Anyway Jade didn't do a bad job, given how thighs were stacked, little experience, new car and ballast and the Neate effect to name a few.

[bella]

Originally Posted by Pringles

Anyway Jade didn't do a bad job, given how thighs were stacked,

i can't tell if this is typo of the week or whether i should be giving you a boll.. telling off for saying she's got big thighs

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Pringles

Off topic, but just remember it's Nov the 5th, love a ginger day. All fingers are people to you know.

Much love to all Gingers on 5th Nov.

On topic.

Everyone regardless of race, sexuality, disability or gender has an equal right to be on the grid.

I wholeheartedly agree.

You have made the ginger day thing up though, right?

[S griffin]

According to today's Autosport, OJ has Morgan to thank for his first win. If Adam hadn't knocked Ollie's suspension in R1, OJ would likely have finished higher in R1 and R2 and then wouldn't have profited from the reverse grid...

[Sodemo]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Are you referring to off the start-line, or out of corners?

I think from a standing start.

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Seems a lot of people are keen to misunderstand each other on this thread. I have nothing more to add but am confused by those who do frankly. I thought this was a thread about the BTCC weekend at Silverstone, surely other topics deserve other threads...?

[thetool]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

Seems a lot of people are keen to misunderstand each other on this thread.

It's not just this thread. There are a couple of members on this sub-forum who appear to exhibit a lot of signs of autism and then one other member in particular who regularly deconstructs their posts, seemingly with the only motivation being to antagonise.

[tux]

Originally Posted by thetool

It's not just this thread. There are a couple of members on this sub-forum who appear to exhibit a lot of signs of autism and then one other member in particular who regularly deconstructs their posts, seemingly with the only motivation being to antagonise.

Jesus Christ.

[steve_r]

Originally Posted by tux

Jesus Christ.

I don't think he posts on this forum.

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Originally Posted by thetool

It's not just this thread. There are a couple of members on this sub-forum who appear to exhibit a lot of signs of autism and then one other member in particular who regularly deconstructs their posts, seemingly with the only motivation being to antagonise.

All well and good you saying that but I thought we were talking about the speed trap figures...

I finally found these figures amidst the TSL Timing data and at the risk of "exhibiting a lot of signs of autism", here are the comparisons of the speed between the BMWs and the Infinitis since that seems to be the point of contention. I've taken the Wellington Straight speed trap. Most of the newer shape Hondas were mighty quick all weekend, the new Fords were usually up there too.

Qualifying:
3 - Turkington (137.2mph)
7 - Oliphant (136.9mph)
15 - Sutton (135.5mph)
18 - Moffat (135.5mph)

R1:
10 - Moffat (137.2mph)
12 - Turkington (136.9mph)
13 - Sutton (136.9mph)
22 - Oliphant (136.3mph)

R2:
3 - Oliphant (138.9mph)
14 - Moffat (137.5mph)
19 - Turkington (136.6mph)
21 - Sutton (136.6mph)

R3:
5 - Sutton (138.6mph)
7 - Oliphant (138.0mph)
8 - Turkington (138.0mph)
9 - Moffat (137.7mph)

Hopefully this gives you a sense of whether the complaints about speed have any merit...

[Greem]

Originally Posted by steve_r

I don't think he posts on this forum.

There have been several years where it looked like he was entering the BTCC though. I can think of lots of threads containing things like:

Jesus Christ! In a Kia?

[thetool]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

All well and good you saying that but I thought we were talking about the speed trap figures...

Hopefully this gives you a sense of whether the complaints about speed have any merit...

You misunderstand me. The various differences between the different cars/drivetrains/etc on the grid is completely valid.

What is frustrating is the deliberate line of responses from certain posters that seems to be used purely to provoke other members. At which point we end up with page after page of "discussion" about whether something was correctly phrased or not.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Greem

There have been several years where it looked like he was entering the BTCC though. I can think of lots of threads containing things like:

My personal favourite was "Jesus Christ that Lexus is slow". Poor Jesus.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

My personal favourite was "Jesus Christ that Lexus is slow". Poor Jesus.

Unfortunately having to take the disciples with him adds to the weight in the car.

Snow White also suffers though to a lesser degree.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

All well and good you saying that but I thought we were talking about the speed trap figures...

I finally found these figures amidst the TSL Timing data and at the risk of "exhibiting a lot of signs of autism", here are the comparisons of the speed between the BMWs and the Infinitis since that seems to be the point of contention. I've taken the Wellington Straight speed trap. Most of the newer shape Hondas were mighty quick all weekend, the new Fords were usually up there too.

Qualifying:
3 - Turkington (137.2mph)
7 - Oliphant (136.9mph)
15 - Sutton (135.5mph)
18 - Moffat (135.5mph)

R1:
10 - Moffat (137.2mph)
12 - Turkington (136.9mph)
13 - Sutton (136.9mph)
22 - Oliphant (136.3mph)

R2:
3 - Oliphant (138.9mph)
14 - Moffat (137.5mph)
19 - Turkington (136.6mph)
21 - Sutton (136.6mph)

R3:
5 - Sutton (138.6mph)
7 - Oliphant (138.0mph)
8 - Turkington (138.0mph)
9 - Moffat (137.7mph)

Hopefully this gives you a sense of whether the complaints about speed have any merit...

It was these I was referring to when I said 'The speed trap figures show that, on the whole, there was not much between the BMWs and the Q50s over the weekend.'

For those who want to determine whether Turkington's complaints about lack of speed are justified, there are a couple of ways the figures can be interpreted.

Averaging out:
O-137.525
T-137.175
M-136.975
S-136.9

or

O&T-2.25
M&S-2.75

However you skin it, there is no real evidence that the BMW suffers in a straight line compared to the Q50.