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23 Oct 2012, 18:40 (Ref:3156627) | #1 | ||
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If you could re-invent RallyCross, what would you change?
Is the heat system too complicated?
Are races too short or too long? What format? Qualifying Friday night, racing Saturday night OK? Anything else that would make it better to watch? |
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23 Oct 2012, 19:07 (Ref:3156641) | #2 | |
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removal of the joker lap, it just splits the battles up, i'd prefer to see the fastest cars close together for the race duration, simplification/almalgamation of the classes
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23 Oct 2012, 19:24 (Ref:3156647) | #3 | ||
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23 Oct 2012, 20:55 (Ref:3156690) | #4 | |
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I might have a few teensy weensy adjustments to suggest .
Most are in the ERC2013 topic. Rewrite the stupid rules. We all know there's loads of errors in there. Re-install the clerck of the course and race director in their position. Restrict the power and the sphere of influence of the 'meeting of the stewards'. We all know that's needed. Get a promotor in that has a good track record in car sports, let them promote. No take over, just to the publicity side of the sport for the whole of Europa. Yes, Europa, W(orld)RX is just a funny thought for a once a year race of champions between ERC/GRC/ S(outh america)RC A(sia)RX etc. They also will have to bring in the experts that get all the ERC drivers bigger sponsors/contracts/travelmoney/team outfitting money. Not just say, hé, you will be on telly in (fill in some obscure far away country) and that will bring your sponsor gazillions. Guide them, help them, bring in the big bucks. Line up the future, with good support classes, a young drivers academy. And they better have a good plan and the full contacts and contracts before they want drivers and tracks to signup. No, Oh yeah it will be on telly, euh somewhere, not known to us yet...'. Jokerlap, hmm on some tracks it works. I'd say let the drivers have a vote, per track. It did change a lot of runs outcome, it takes tactics, it did cost a few cars.. , it brought some great images etc. Night/evening race under floodlights. Blyton has it, Marshall (Detroit) has it. Could be fun, for the WRX race of champions event to broadcast live in the right countries at primetime. So yes, the cars run on part dirt part tarmac tracks but it needs a 2013(and 14/15/16.....) update at the office end of it |
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23 Oct 2012, 23:42 (Ref:3156765) | #5 | |||
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Simple. Let's not over complicate things! |
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24 Oct 2012, 07:29 (Ref:3156867) | #6 | ||
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Get rid of the joker lap. Come up with an easy to understand class structure that caters for drivers on all budgets and ensures a good variety of cars, not three classes like the ERC where the cars increasingly look all the same.
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24 Oct 2012, 09:05 (Ref:3156893) | #7 | |
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- A different format for the Jokerlap. Get rid of it or that it may only be used from the second lap.
- One clerck of the couse for all events - a promotor for all events, one that doesn't interfere with how rallycross is done - al least 30% gravel and that gravel is gravel and not the normal track with some dirt on it... - go back to a one-day event, way to much doing nothing now |
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24 Oct 2012, 09:59 (Ref:3156913) | #8 | ||
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Repeating points that have already been made, but my suggestions:
- Ditch the joker (or alternatively, if it has to stay, then restrict its use as Janneman has suggested). - Simplification of classes. - One independent clerk for the whole season. - Proper gravel sections: not just dirty tarmac! |
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23 Oct 2012, 19:08 (Ref:3156642) | #9 | ||
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23 Oct 2012, 19:48 (Ref:3156658) | #10 | ||
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Flood-lit track like NASCAR and US ovals. We've done it several times before, quite easy to do with mobile genset/light towers like used on work sites.
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23 Oct 2012, 19:59 (Ref:3156662) | #11 | ||
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I thought you might say that, but who is going to fund all that kit in a branch of motorsport that to be frank, barely has a pot in which to urinate?
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23 Oct 2012, 20:02 (Ref:3156664) | #12 | ||
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rallycross at Rockingham ! thats what i would like to see !
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24 Oct 2012, 19:05 (Ref:3157136) | #13 | ||
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24 Oct 2012, 20:24 (Ref:3157171) | #14 | |||
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But following the logic... for the clubmen classes what about having a rule that all cars have to be road legal (in other words rally cars)? This might sound daft but hear me out! It would have the advantage of: 1. Discouraging deliberate contact. 2. Reduce the cost of starting rallycross as no van/ trailer would be needed to get to the track. 3. Car can be stored on the road/ driven to work 4. Car could be used in other forms of motorsport (rallying, sprinting, autocross) with little or no modification. Worth considering? |
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24 Oct 2012, 20:40 (Ref:3157184) | #15 | ||
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This wouldn't work for various reasons:
- You don't need to have the trailer to get to the track, but what about the way home? clubmen racers aren't the ones crashing deliberately, they need to pay and repair everything themselves... but a lot of cars isn't roadworthy after the event... Technical breakdowns and the results of close racing went bad (it stays rallycross after all) - A competition car may be a gimmick to drive to work, but it aint something to do everyday; the engine is set up for power, not for driving low speeds, you don't have any insulation, nor a radio to kill the noise from outside, and it ain't handy, as you only have two bucket seats and your trunk space is reduced due to the rollcage - And for Belgium atleast, maybe in the UK you can do more conversions... If you want to race for instance a Peugeot 205 GTI, you need a real one, from the factory, as the engine on the papers and in the car has to match, the same for brakes, suspension, tires... So to have a roadworthy Peugeot 1.9 GTI, you need a genuine car, which cost a lot of money, for rallycross, you just take a shell of any 205 (so a crappy 1.0 one, which is basicly for free), and add the technical bits you like. That's why rallycross cars are cheaper then their rally counterparts... |
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24 Oct 2012, 21:11 (Ref:3157201) | #16 | ||
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I take your point but I raised it because a few years ago the 'Roadsport' concept was quite big in circuit racing. Basically you were supposed to drive your competition car to the track and back home again.
I'm not suggesting people would want to use the car everyday but it could be an option for people on very tight budget. People do use mildly modified Endurance rally cars as everyday cars - I guess it just depends how much you want to modify the car. Plus there are plenty of cheap basic rally cars available for around the £2,500 mark if you look carefully enough. Just trying to think of ways to make it cheaper and get more people involved... I know when I started rallying the trailer and the van cost me a lot more than the car! |
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23 Oct 2012, 21:53 (Ref:3156717) | #17 | ||
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Formula A, Formula B, Formula C. Minicross.
Easy really |
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23 Oct 2012, 22:21 (Ref:3156733) | #18 | ||
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Rid of the joker lap. Definitely.
Get rallycross back on the BBC. |
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23 Oct 2012, 22:37 (Ref:3156738) | #19 | ||
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1. Ditch the joker lap.
2. Run on Saturday nights like stock cars to build up public following. 3. End complex class structure. 4. Seed the heats for close racing. Then fastest cars get in the A final, slowest in the Z final. Simple rules that everyone understands. 5. Meetings all year round for clubmen. |
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23 Oct 2012, 23:22 (Ref:3156754) | #20 | ||
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Maybe this is more focused on Barbados?
More time of the stars on track - One of the proposals I do like in the IMG is the amount of time you will see the big names on track. Fans pay good money and should see their favorites as much as possible More power - open up the restrictor so the cars are more difficult to handle Driver Introductions - create more of a brand around the drivers/cars so they are known faces Mix of surfaces - good mix of surfaces and be smart where you add the loose vs. the tarmac. Some great ERC tracks to learn from Mark Fat Yellow Pig |
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24 Oct 2012, 11:47 (Ref:3156968) | #21 | |||
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I think you need to keep a Class structure though, but maybe simplify it. Drivers like to race for trophies at the end of the year! 1. The main area I would like to see tried is the race day format. Free practice Timed Qualifying 1st heats - based on qualifying times (mixed classes) 2nd heats - based on times from 1st heats (mixed classes) 3rd heats - based on times from 2nd heats (mixed classes) Finals - Run in classes with grids determined by total of best two times in the heats. This way, cars/drivers of similar speeds will always run together through the heats, so from a spectators point of view, the action on track will be much closer. You would also have full grids of cars throughout the heats, which may result in less races being needed, which would also help with event timing issues. Finals run in classes so that class championship points can be awarded. 2. Regarding the joker lap, as a driver I like it. It adds some strategy to the races. But, I can see where it can confuse spectators and on the basis that the above model is to promote closer racing, I'd have to say it needs to be ditched. 3. I'd also like to see a much better championship website that isn't so biased to just one or two Supercar drivers. One that has regular updates and maybe has features on drivers throughout ALL classes. |
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24 Oct 2012, 14:35 (Ref:3157038) | #22 | ||
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Why would the ERC differentiate between FWD and RWD cars? I.e., why is the 2000 class not for all 2ltr cars rather than just RWD?
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24 Oct 2012, 16:21 (Ref:3157079) | #23 | ||
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24 Oct 2012, 14:57 (Ref:3157048) | #24 | ||
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Greg, really, you honestly dont need 8 bloody classes!
You might have an idea where you are, but that is what we have now, all lowly subscribed and all struggling. Back to drawing board mate |
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24 Oct 2012, 15:22 (Ref:3157061) | #25 | ||
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I agree. What we do here is merge classes which aren't subscribed which helps a bit. That means the S2000 and S1600 could run together (and should be competitive if correctly weighted) as well as the entire lot of Classics. But it also leaves room for the keenest classes to develop.
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