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As I understood it way back in the day, the P2 and P1 cars were initially that close, and when the ACO saw that they pegged back the LMP2 cars, but IMSA didn't follow along, because Porsche wanted to be competing for overall wins the whole time. Porsche had seen the overall-winning-potential of the LMP2 package as initially written and jumped into the ALMS for that reason, and IMSA wasn't going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Chris |
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Porsche didn't have any particular intention of racing for overall wins, just selling race cars. Penske and Dyson probably did. A significant part of the reason Porsche raced in LMP2 at the time was that they had an agreement with VAG not to race in the top class for 10 years. On one hand it explains why Audi was so mad but makes some of their public statements at the time unfair.
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So ... whatever else, those were good days.
I don't see why we couldn't again have good days. Right now I'd say the biggest weakness in IMSA is the lack of quality teams. Most of the smaller teams just keep on disappointing ... but their machinery shouldn't be as bad as it seems to be, I think. Even rebellion couldn't seem to make its stuff work. How much different would this season look if there were a few more Champion Audi or Penske Porsche -level teams running? Even as it stands ... I'd rather see one team dominate (Hello Audi, the ALMS would like the first decade of the century back, please) than see BoP level the field on a race-buy-race basis. (If it was just the Cadillac, the two halves of AXR should have won something by now.) I keep hoping some of the losing teams will get their stuff straight and put up a decent fight ... but the racing as a whole hasn't been bad. The races have been entertaining throughout ,... and it is only a very limited sort of appreciation which only cares about the last instant of the race and who's ahead when the checker waves. |
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Rebellion was doing damn good, they just broke.
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There was some indycar news that said a deal with a 3rd car manufacturers fell through. It was reported to be Lamborghini.
Now I wonder, does that mean they may turn their eye to IMSA for major representation in America? The original engine rules hinted a V10 so maybe...? |
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ORECA In Talks With Three Factories Over Near-Future DPi Projects
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HPD engines are fine. They're not like the troubled f1 unit. It probably won't be the Indycar engine either so I think reliability shouldn't be a question. Performance I don't know but Oreca has the car to beat in lmp2.
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Its a shame they couldn't grandfather the old Ligier with Honda engines, Shanks may have stayed in DPi.
I hate the idea that there is only 4 chassis allowed, and forces one engine on privateers. Its actually not a bad idea to force the factories based teams to use the apporve chassis since it will keep cost from going up too fast but privateer based with no factory support should be able to bring anything they want. If they want a unbranded V10 Judd, the let them. |
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Oreca has the car to beat with Dunlop tyres, but Cadillac has the car to beat with Continental tyres.
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I'm not sure it's as clean cut with ORECA outside of Le Mans. Ligier won round 1 of ELMS, and there were Dallaras in there too. ORECA did win round 2, but again the Dallara was superb at Monza. I think in the high downforce setup, the ORECA is much closer to the rest of the pack than it is at Le Mans.
AFAIK, the IMSA private teams aren't getting the Le Mans kit over in the US, so the massive low downforce gap isn't there. |
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Seems like the cars are matched fairly well on most tracks, LM like Daytona messes with the rest of the series balance. Sadly they are both the most publicized races of the season.
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The Oreca has always been the best package at LM, even the 05 was a little faster then the JSP2, although not to the extent we see now. I think it has to do with Oreca's experience working with Rebellion's R-One program
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Totally agree on the engine though. You could run a mediocre Judd, or the Nissan. Everyone who was anywhere near the front ran the Nissan. So really all we've gone is drop the Judd, and give everyone an awesome sounding engine. But I do miss the chassis variety. Really though, IMSA could do what they want. Why can't they allow other chassis in? Only issue they'd have is BoPing an engine up to the current spec, since the new engines are much more powerful. It's IMSAs game, and as long as someone doesn't want to take it to Le Mans, I don't see it being a problem. |
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Even IMSA management can see that Le Mans is the world's premier sports car race. I think they are angling to get accepted and are willing to follow FIA rules as much as possible to get there. IMSA needed engine variety for two reasons: First, the fans were not about to tolerate another spec series, and second, IMSA needed the factories, and there was no way to get the factories involved for cheap besides engine-badging (and chassis-badging.) If IMSA opened the class to more chassis manufacturers, that might embarrass FIA. |
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Multimatic taking on a bigger role in the Riley-Multimatic partnership:
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http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/14149...ning-continues
More details on Honda. I guess the announcement in August won't be accompanied by the reveal of the car, which is strange. I doubt they make it to Petit, but I bet they're in contention to win at Daytona. Chris |
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