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How stupid could McLaren look at the end of the year…..
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Not exactly a clean start, as Russell has to go down the escape road at the chicane, with Piastri taking the lead and Leclerc passing Norris for second place.
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Th looming team order controversy at McLaren….
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Bits of contact Piastri passing Norris Verstappen's right year wheel sticking in the first stop VCARB mechanic screwing up a 5s penalty stop and causing a 10s additional penalty It's all a bit messy so far! |
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A slow stop for Oscar Piastri.
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Great radio call from Norris' race engineer - "Just ****ing get on with it"
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Congrats to Charles Leclerc and Ferrari on a famous Monza victory.
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AMAZING drive from Leclerc. What a fantastic way to give Ferrari a win, and at Monza too. Poetry.
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So we've had two Grands Prix this year where a one-stop strategy has just won the race (before DQ at Spa of course) despite the "conventional wisdom" of other teams and the commentariat.
Makes me wonder if teams are being overly conservative and/or if the tyres are actually more capable than 1st thought and/or if the commentariat is lacking in imagination (or all of those). As well as the winners of both events, others in the field went the one-stop strategy too. Really like that roll-of-the dice approach at times but in this risk-averse world we live in, I wonder how often we'll truly see it? Maybe allowing more in-season testing would permit teams to REALLY run race distance simulations on the tyres and give them more confidence to run an "out there" strategy more often? |
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I have always been strongly opposed to team orders, so I have to be very careful what I say here. On the other hand, teams have been doing it (legally or illegally) for years, so I have to accept it when it is done for the greater good of the team. In the case of McLaren, Lando could have 10 points more than he actually has if the team had applied team orders to optimise his WDC position. That is looking very likely to come back and bite them at the end of the season.
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i suppose im of the belief that more tire testing/full race simulation runs would just lead to greater consensus on what the optimal tire strategy should be, leading to teams needing less running/practice to get dialed in, and ultimately resulting in more strategy uniformity not less. for sure the introductions of unknowns, or the lack of preparation in this case, to spice things up is looked upon poorly but it is also the most convenient way to inject variety into GP weekends. so as long as the tires are safe to run, which they seem to be this year, then as a general rule im for less testing/running not more? |
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Piastri based his entire thinking on 1 vs. 2 stop on the graining he was seeing on his left front tyre at Monza - if he knew he could clean it up and the tyre would "come back" a bit, he may have rolled the dice. Anyway, it was just a thought - with the expenditure cap in place, IMHO if teams want to do some additional testing here and there & spend some of their money that way, then I reckon they should be able to fill their boots and have a go if that's the way they're inclined - but that's a whole other discussion I guess. |
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I personally think the number of testing days are too few. But... in addition to cost savings, I suspect part of the reduction in testing is that the lack of knowledge that comes from such severe restrictions helps to create a level of uncertainty that shows up during the season. It's a way (right or wrong) to help spice up the show by making it harder on the teams. Such as... Is it a one or two stop race? We just don't know because we don't have the data. That is the "positive" aspect of limited testing. Richard |
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Doing a 10 or 15 lap "long run simulation" during a GP practice session doesn't provide that type of knowledge. The only testing at the moment is pre-season at one circuit (that is known to be substantially different to anywhere else, particularly for tyres) and also when all the teams have brand new cars and very limited time, so the focus goes onto the cars, onto the following week's Grand Prix and very little (if any) on tyres & genuine long runs. Back in the day, when test teams were a thing (& I'd agree that it got out of hand) an awful lot of the testing being done was tyre testing, largely because there were competing tyre brands (that often paid teams for the test days). Whilst today's situation is different, we used to do things like full race simulations, running a full GP distance & if the tyres were graining up, adapting driving style to see if they could be "brought back". That doesn't help you decide on a strategy at every circuit but it DOES provide some base knowledge on what the tyres are capable of. I'm not suggesting a free-for-all but limited testing (which is quite similar to what you say in your post Richard). Here in Oz, Supercar teams used to be permitted 6 test days per year (now down to 3 - probably not quite enough). 5 full days (which teams could choose to split into 10 half days if they wish) might be a good number. Would also allow teams to shake down new updates, so they arrive at a GP in a more competitive state - which could give us better racing outcomes. Anyway, like I said, it was just a thought. |
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