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Lewis Hamilton | 22 | 22.00% | |
Michael Schumacher | 11 | 11.00% | |
Juan Manuel Fangio | 6 | 6.00% | |
Alain Prost | 7 | 7.00% | |
Ayrton Senna | 22 | 22.00% | |
Jackie Stewart | 0 | 0% | |
Jim Clark | 17 | 17.00% | |
Alberto Ascari | 0 | 0% | |
Fernando Alonso | 1 | 1.00% | |
Niki Lauda | 3 | 3.00% | |
Stirling Moss | 2 | 2.00% | |
Sebastian Vettel | 0 | 0% | |
Nigel Mansell | 1 | 1.00% | |
Nelson Piquet | 0 | 0% | |
James Hunt | 0 | 0% | |
Mika Hakkinen | 0 | 0% | |
Giles Villeneuve | 2 | 2.00% | |
Max Verstappen | 0 | 0% | |
Nico Rosberg | 0 | 0% | |
Jack Brabham | 4 | 4.00% | |
Carlos Reutemann | 0 | 0% | |
Jochen Rindt | 0 | 0% | |
Ronnie Peterson | 1 | 1.00% | |
Kimi Raikkonen | 1 | 1.00% | |
Graham Hill | 0 | 0% | |
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10 Apr 2021, 12:31 (Ref:4045434) | #226 | |
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I can't believe that I am the only one so far to vote for Niki Lauda. The man has 3 championships, and 2 of them after coming BACK after being burned.
My other section would be Jim Clark, then Kimi Raikonnen. Both of which the equipment let them down at critical moment. |
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10 Apr 2021, 12:33 (Ref:4045435) | #227 | ||
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Niki, like JYS, suffers from the you can only vote for one. I’m sure pretty much everyone rates him very highly, but has at least one who they rank higher.
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Round One - Lauda vs Surer was a 10-0 result Round Two - Lauda vs Gurney was a 13-0 result It was in round three that he was defeated by Stewart 16-3 So it's not that he isn't rated highly - just that Stewart (and ultimately Hamilton and eventually Senna) are rated higher by the majority. |
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10 Apr 2021, 14:02 (Ref:4045444) | #229 | |
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That just shows you can have drivers who are very great and people would put in their top ten, but will probably not be on top. To be fair I’ve yet to see any list of greatest racing drivers with Lauda on top, even if he is almost always in the top 10
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great stories here's mine...
for me my appreciation of the past/history of the sport came much later on. post internet years really. given the time zone differences, lack of coverage on my local TV, it was not reported on in any local newspaper and specialty magazines were import expensive and always months late, it was hard to know what was going on in those days. so given my age, early early 90s, for me everything was new and i wasnt so much interested in the old and angry Prost and almost as old Senna. maybe i just didnt know any better. i just wanted to follow something new so Schumacher was the young gun coming in with the kind of hype a young kid gravitates towards. a few years later, a couple of titles later, combined with my increasing knowledge of the sport, his move to Ferrari was, from my point of view, massive globe shattering news. it felt like the first time (again from a local perspective) that this was one of the biggest sports stories in the world and it was about F1 and i was in the know! as fortune would have it, a few years earlier, i had also moved to Montreal for uni (94) and a young Villeneuve was making the scene. Racing is what everyone was all of a sudden talking about and here i am fascinated by this esoteric and exotic sport feeling like i was right in the middle of it all living in downtown Montreal just a stones throw from Île Notre-Dame and the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. for my first race (summer of 95), my gf at the time, had found this park across the water from the island which offered a tiny peak of the race track. close enough that the engine sounds and smells made you feel like you were right there but far enough away that all you could see were these blurs of motion where you sometimes caught enough flash of colour with which to imagine it to be this car or that driver. i was reminded of this interview i had read by Mario Andretti where he recounted the first F1 race he saw and how he and his brother had to peer through a fence at Monza hoping to catch a glimpse of their hero Ascari. there was my connection. this is where my imagination took me and i was hooked. as years went by i attended more races but it was always to catch a glimpse of Schumi and in later years it became Hamilton. i never thought Schumi's records would be broken but then it happened and i got to watch both of them do it! cant say LH inspires me as much as Schumi did but Ham has his moments! Montreal 1995: Montreal 2010. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1053783184778663 |
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10 Apr 2021, 21:23 (Ref:4045487) | #231 | ||
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Race-Schumacher,Prost,Clark,Hamilton.In that order
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11 Apr 2021, 06:57 (Ref:4045503) | #232 | ||
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The more recent the driver the more votes they will get . Before my time , but I'd say there is a strong case for Fangio being the greatest . In an era when drivers had careers foreshortened by death or incapacity ,and cars broke down a lot , Fangio won five championships , for four different teams. Nobody had even won more than two until JYS in 1973, and it took 50 years for anybody to match his tally .
Drivers like Raikkonen (whose popularity these days is based more upon his taciturnity than his driving ) are footnotes, at most , against a record like Fangio's. |
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11 Apr 2021, 07:25 (Ref:4045509) | #233 | |
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According to Jo Ramirez, who was one of those closest to Senna, Ayrton wanted to equal, but not beat Fangio's record, as he had a lot of respect for Juan Manuel. Now that says a lot
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16 Apr 2021, 08:31 (Ref:4046189) | #234 | |
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I'm surprised this thread is still running,variations crop up now and then but nobody ever includes Tommy Byrne in the list of candidates.......
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17 Apr 2021, 13:31 (Ref:4046412) | #235 | ||
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Personally, I think it's a fair opinion. Nothing removes my opinion that Alain Prost is no1. But I've studied racing enough to recognise what for me are the most important parts of racing, of which it's plausible that Lauda is best at, and that he also contributed to the Prost's development as a driver (despite already being a top tier driver prior to becoming teammates with him). |
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17 Apr 2021, 13:37 (Ref:4046413) | #236 | |
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Don't push your guilty conscience on me. You'd have no idea what my opinion is at the moment.
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17 Apr 2021, 17:15 (Ref:4046422) | #237 | ||
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No, they don't. For all the promise - and plenty of waste -surely no-one could ever reasonably say he could be a contender?
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17 Apr 2021, 18:16 (Ref:4046432) | #238 | |
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My top 100 drivers of all time:
1. Lewis Hamilton 2. Michael Schumacher 3. Juan Manuel Fangio 4. Jim Clark 5. Jackie Stewart 6. Alberto Ascari 7. Fernando Alonso 8. Alain Prost 9. Stirling Moss 10. Ayrton Senna 11. Niki Lauda 12. Sebastian Vettel 13. Jochen Rindt 14. Jenson Button 15. Nico Rosberg 16. Ronnie Peterson 17. Max Verstappen 18. Carlos Reutemann 19. James Hunt 20. Nelson Piquet 21. Graham Hill 22. Alan Jones 23. Giles Villeneuve 24. Mika Hakkinen 25. Mario Andretti 26. Nigel Mansell 27. Emerson Fittipaldi 28. Daniel Ricciardo 29. Jack Brabham 30. Giuseppe Farina 31. Charles Leclerc 32. Elio de Angelis 33. Jody Scheckter 34. Robert Kubica 35. Nick Heidfeld 36. Jacques Villeneuve 37. Valtteri Bottas 38. Damon Hill 39. John Surtees 40. Kimi Raikkonen 41. Felipe Massa 42. Clay Regazzoni 43. Denny Hulme 44. Keke Rosberg 45. Sergio Perez 46. Jacky Ickx 47. John Watson 48. Bruce McLaren 49. Jacques Laffite 50. Rubens Barrichello 51. Mike Hawthorn 52. Nico Hulkenberg 53. Heinz-Harald Frentzen 54. Jose Froilan Gonzalez 55. Dan Gurney 56. Eddie Irvine 57. Peter Collins 58. Jean Alesi 59. Gerhard Berger 60. Carlos Sainz 61. David Coulthard 62. Jarno Trulli 63. Mark Webber 64. Luigi Fagioli 65. Giancarlo Fisichella 66. Patrick Depailler 67. Chris Amon 68. Jean Behra 69. Juan Pablo Montoya 70. Rene Arnoux 71. Tony Brooks 72. Didier Pironi 73. Heikki Kovalainen 74. Johnny Herbert 75. Kevin Magnussen 76. Romain Grosjean 77. Ralf Schumacher 78. Phil Hill 79. Derek Warwick 80. Wolfgang von Trips 81. George Russell 82. Timo Glock 83. Ricardo Patrese 84. Lando Norris 85. Pierre Gasly 86. Richie Ginther 87. Pedro Rodriguez 88. Maurice Trintignant 89. Marc Surer 90. Eddie Cheever 91. Mika Salo 92. Francois Cevert 93. Thierry Boutsen 94. Kamui Kobayashi 95. Pierluigi Martini 96. Martin Brundle 97. Michele Alboreto 98. Tom Pryce 99. Stefan Johansson 100. Jean-Pierre Jarier I will expand to a top 200 soon. |
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It seems we should hold a poll to decide which of the plethora of polls we've had recently is the best one.
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I don't think any of them would've done much better (if at all), and particularly Herbert. 94 was a weird year, so it's hard to reasonably speculate what one can do. For the perceived advantage Williams had, they had the same tyres and engines as Benetton. Hill had 8 wins, 9 poles & 97pts in 96. Schumacher had 9 wins, 4 poles & 102pts in 95. It's all very well wondering what a supposed better driver than Hill could do. But it's really not that much better. Hakkinen had his opportunity in 98/99. I'd put it to you that Hakkinen's output in 99 was only marginally better than Hill 95 season, and he benfifited from Schumacher's injury. Hill, 4 wins & 69pts in 17 races in 95. Hakkinen with 5 wins and 76pts in 17 in 99. One wins the championship, and the other is a lucky plodder. It's good you brought up Herbert. Including him in a group that could usurp Hill. There doesn't seem to be any thought he couldn't? Same tyres and engine as Hill in 95, but Herbert didn't get within a bull's roar of Hill. I know enough about Herbert of know he was the up and coming golden boy of British racing in the 80s. I know of the crash at Brands. There's always an excuse for Herbert, but none for Hill. The good thing for me about you bringing Herbert, is that I can now use Herbert's 95 season at Benetton as a fairer comparison to how Bottas is getting treated at MB. Bottas is getting the rough end of the treatment at MB in the similar way Herbert was moaning of in 95. It's a much better comparison, and more closer to home for British fans, than just flippantly comparing Bottas to a lightweight like Berger. So thanks for that. |
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I personally think that Herbert could have been something really special. To describe a massive leg shattering accident at Brands Hatch (which was the first motor race I took my missus too - and I shunted my MGB on the way...), an 'excuse' is pretty lame. It's another of those 'what might have been' situations. As for Hill, I rated him higher than many and he thoroughly deserved his WDC.
With the Bottas situation there definitely is an 'excuse'. When you see a performance as lame as his on Sunday (and Saturday) and call it 'the rough end of the treatment at Mercedes' - now that's an excuse. Mercedes really have to wake up and smell the coffee.... |
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The violin is of course always out for Johnny. But it's not the reason he never fulfilled on his supposed potential. He still could've won a WC despite his legs (He otherwise wouldn't have got the drive with Benetton in the first place).
Mick Doohan won 5 WC after his legs were severely damaged. The biggest difference being Mick had the command of the team, in a similar way Schumacher and Hamilton have). It's never happened though. |
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