[BTCC] BTCC 2021

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by mark_l

Have Team Parker announced they are leaving, or are we just guessing from 1 transporter for sale and talking to some bloke who knows very little?

TP transporter for sale. Rumours of Jelley looking to drive for WSR. Jelley's 1-series is at Team HARD. Hard/Laser Tools co-op have acquired an extra TBL. I think we can safely join the dots here.

[medius]

Originally Posted by redshoes

TP transporter for sale. Rumours of Jelley looking to drive for WSR. Jelley's 1-series is at Team HARD. Hard/Laser Tools co-op have acquired an extra TBL. I think we can safely join the dots here.

Eaxctly, its not difficult to understand when all the information has been presented in this thread more than once already and its not even January.

One Focus was sold back in October though which may be a surprise. But not if you look hard enough on Companies House at the family who bought it. Again all info in public. Nothing secretive. No guesses. Just requires some effort to look for it and see the pattern.

[Millvi]

Originally Posted by mark_l

This game of I know something you don't is getting tedious again.

Or I’ll make out I know something you don’t know...either way it’s very tedious.

[S griffin]

Sad to see Team Parker go, as their signs are there that they aren’t going to be back judging by recent activity. However it’s not really surprising at this current time

[BTCC frog]

So you mentioned that two teams were gone, and that two teams were in a good position for next year. You then said that MB and Motorbase were two of the teams, so I would assume that one has taken over the other. With Shaun Hollamby going to Motorbase, I will say that MB took over Motorbase. However, only Speedworks was mentioned as a third, so I would guess that Toyota have taken over Speedworks and have hired a second driver, who is a race winner. Is this correct?

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by medius

Eaxctly, its not difficult to understand when all the information has been presented in this thread more than once already and its not even January.

One Focus was sold back in October though which may be a surprise. But not if you look hard enough on Companies House at the family who bought it. Again all info in public. Nothing secretive. No guesses. Just requires some effort to look for it and see the pattern.

So if it's in the public domain, why don't you just tell us?

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

So if it's in the public domain, why don't you just tell us?

If the car has recently been sold how would it show up at Companies House where listings are 12 months behind.? Also why would a “Ford Focus” be listed at Companies House? Sounds like fantasy or to much Christmas liquid cheer to me!

[peebee2]

Could be a charge or a lien.

[Tja]

Right, some digging would suggest that the Jacksons are now involved in what used to be Mountune since late September or early October. So I'm guessing that's part of the puzzle. Can I just say, looking through some of these odd setups of companies behind the racing teams is really weird. Really makes you wonder how everything is paid for. Of course it might just be that sponsorship is transferred through a company to the actual race team, is there anyone how can and would like to shed light on how it all works?

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Sad to see Team Parker go, as their signs are there that they aren’t going to be back judging by recent activity. However it’s not really surprising at this current time

I did hear that its only Parkers BTCC activity that is ending, hopefully we'll still see them in the Porsches.

[Pringles]

Shaun Hollamby is listed as a director at Motorbase Performance as of 3rd Dec 2020. Not sure how the correspondence address links up with Green Group International though.

[thetool]

Quick run-down as to the current ownership situation for all teams in the BTCC:

Team Dynamics - Owned by Matt Neal
West Surrey Racing - WSR Holdings Limited - Owned by Dick Bennetts
AmD Racing - No longer exist, AmD Tuning - Owned by Shaun Hollamby
BTC Racing - Owned by Steve Dudman and legally unrelated to previous BTC Racing
Power Maxed - Owned by Adam Weaver
Motorbase Performance - New company called "Motorbase Performance Limited" set up
by Shaun Hollamby on December 3, 2020. Team that ran as "Motorbase" in 2020 was
"Racing-Red 2020 Ltd" which is a 50/50 partnership between Dave Bartrum and
Richard Paine who also owns Abidane Limited
Speedworks - Owned by Christian Dick
Morgan - Ciceley Motorsport or Ciceley Racing don't really exist, Ciceley Limited ultimately owned by Brian Morgan (Adam's grandad)
Trade Price Cars - Name is just a front, ultimately the money behind it is Dan Kirby
Parker - Owned by the Parker brothers
Laser Tools - Owned by Aiden Moffat (money is his Dad's, Bob Moffat)
Team HARD - Tony Gilham doesn't actually own any companies currently. Team HARD is owned by his grid girl wife.
Excelr8 - Owned by Justina Wilson. Money from Draper Tools, not sure what their link is to the team.

[Steel Wheels]

Originally Posted by Pringles

Shaun Hollamby is listed as a director at Motorbase Performance as of 3rd Dec 2020. Not sure how the correspondence address links up with Green Group International though.

Green Group belongs to Pete Osborne, Sam’s Dad

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by Pickles

I did hear that its only Parkers BTCC activity that is ending, hopefully we'll still see them in the Porsches.

I guessed they would. Still a shame to see them leave the BTCC. They had come a long way from their struggles when they first came in 2015

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by Tja

Right, some digging would suggest that the Jacksons are now involved in what used to be Mountune since late September or early October. So I'm guessing that's part of the puzzle. Can I just say, looking through some of these odd setups of companies behind the racing teams is really weird. Really makes you wonder how everything is paid for. Of course it might just be that sponsorship is transferred through a company to the actual race team, is there anyone how can and would like to shed light on how it all works?

It's really confusing isn't it. Nothing new of course. There was a touring car team which seemed to change its ownership makeup every winter, but the same guy was always calling the shots. I have that from one of his creditors, chasing him for money since 2001!

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Tja

Can I just say, looking through some of these odd setups of companies behind the racing teams is really weird. Really makes you wonder how everything is paid for. Of course it might just be that sponsorship is transferred through a company to the actual race team, is there anyone how can and would like to shed light on how it all works?

Shed light? Well there’s plenty of thought-of-heroes who’ve made careers out of hardly ever paying their bills.

Doesn’t sound too serious. Unless you’re one of the unpaid who can really struggle.

[touringlegend]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

It's really confusing isn't it. Nothing new of course. There was a touring car team which seemed to change its ownership makeup every winter, but the same guy was always calling the shots. I have that from one of his creditors, chasing him for money since 2001!

I did think there were laws against this but could be wrong. Especially if someone is seen as fronting a company so publically ?

I have been employed by a business that was wound up and the MD of the old business couldn’t be a director for another 12 months. His wife signed the papers of the new business but he called the shots (behind closed doors though)

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Pickles

I did hear that its only Parkers BTCC activity that is ending, hopefully we'll still see them in the Porsches.

Correct as I understand it. The BTCC entry only ever came about as a "favour" when Motorbase where unable to run Alex Martins Dextra backed Focus. Parker never planned to enter BTCC. When Alex decided to go racing elsewhere SJ jumped into the seat and stayed for a good number of years (and after deciding the Focus wad not his bag bought the BMW off of WSR). The BMW was (possibly still is) SJ's. He may well have sold it on (possibly to #HARD) - so it may well appear on a racetrack in another series yet.

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by touringlegend

I did think there were laws against this but could be wrong. Especially if someone is seen as fronting a company so publically ?

I have been employed by a business that was wound up and the MD of the old business couldn’t be a director for another 12 months. His wife signed the papers of the new business but he called the shots (behind closed doors though)

Nothing to stop your dad or brother or granny having their name above the door unfortunately.

[sceptic]

Originally Posted by thetool

Quick run-down as to the current ownership situation for all teams in the BTCC:

Team Dynamics - Owned by Matt Neal

Does Barry Plowman still have 20%?

Team HARD - Tony Gilham doesn't actually own any companies currently.

Is he allowed to at the moment?

Excelr8 - Owned by Justina Wilson. Money from Draper Tools, not sure what their link is to the team.

Just a sponsor, as far as I know.

[thetool]

Originally Posted by sceptic

Does Barry Plowman still have 20%?

Almost certainly. Since 2017 it hasn't been a requirement for companies to record their shareholder breakdowns with companies house, only to report person(s) of significant control (PSC), which is almost always the majority shareholder(s). The latest filings list Matt Neal as this PSC, with over 75% but less than 100%, which would suggest that the shareholdings remain unchanged from the last time they were fully disclosed.

[bella]

Originally Posted by sceptic

Is he allowed to at the moment?

is companies house out of date then? mr gilham's listed as a director for TH as of september 2018.

[AnnoyedMoose]

Originally Posted by bella

is companies house out of date then? mr gilham's listed as a director for TH as of september 2018.

Maybe some people don't realise that Tony is short for Anthony?

[thetool]

Originally Posted by bella

is companies house out of date then? mr gilham's listed as a director for TH as of september 2018.

No, you're right, he is back as a director. I wonder if Companies House know that it's him, as his original profile shows all his former roles before his ban.

https://find-and-update.company-info...I/appointments

And then he reappears in 2018:

https://find-and-update.company-info...4/appointments

[mark_l]

Originally Posted by thetool

No, you're right, he is back as a director. I wonder if Companies House know that it's him, as his original profile shows all his former roles before his ban.

https://find-and-update.company-info...I/appointments

And then he reappears in 2018:

https://find-and-update.company-info...4/appointments

If you want to look up directors of teams, Warren Scott is a good one.