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Old 29 Nov 2013, 09:19 (Ref:3338090)   #1
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ACO on safety changes at La Sarthe (merged)

Most of you will probably see this/have seen this anyway, but Graham Goodwin just posted up a brief interview with Pierre Fillon, with a number of interesting pieces of news:

https://www.dailysportscar.com/?p=18894

Interested to see what they come up with for this GPS system, looks promising!
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Old 29 Nov 2013, 09:24 (Ref:3338093)   #2
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Most of you will probably see this/have seen this anyway, but Graham Goodwin just posted up a brief interview with Pierre Fillon, with a number of interesting pieces of news:

https://www.dailysportscar.com/?p=18894

Interested to see what they come up with for this GPS system, looks promising!
If they've got good programmers on-hand and the teams cooperate, then I'm optimistic that we won't have any more Hindy-soapbox-safety-car-rants.
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Old 29 Nov 2013, 12:09 (Ref:3338102)   #3
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Yep the safety car situation sounds encouraging. An infinitely better solution for the fans.

I'm assuming they will push the barrier back at the exit of Tetre Rouge (removing the tree).
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Old 29 Nov 2013, 12:19 (Ref:3338114)   #4
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New ACO idea's for Le Mans track .

Compliments of Graham Goodwin :

Much more in the next 24 Hours following a catch-up session with Gerard Neveu and Pierre Fillon on the progress with the FIA WEC into 2014.

The picture is overwhelmingly positive with stable grids, increasing crowd numbers and media reach. There are though including some currently unresolved issues around Interlagos (assurances required on safety management) and Austin (where the discussions with the circuit and TUSC over the weekend’s timetable are clearly proving difficult)

Before then though there was a moment after the briefing to catch up with Pierre Fillon on the ACO’s review of safety after this year’s Le Mans 24 Hours which saw, of course, the fatal accident that befell Allan Simonsen but also saw an extraordinary number of lengthy safety car periods.

“We will announce very soon that there will be changes at Tertre Rouge and Corvette Corner but it should be remembered that we (the ACO) do not own the circuit, it is still, mainly, public road so those discussion have to be had with the local authority.

“They are very clear though that these changes need to be made to ensure that the Le Mans 24 Hours can continue as before.”

Perhaps even more significant though was Mr Fillon’s answer to the question about the number and length of Safety Car periods.

“Here we will have a surprise for you I think. I share the concerns about this and we have been working hard to find a better safety management solution.

“To make the change we want to move towards would require an in-car marshaling system, to neutralise not the whole circuit but simply a section of the circuit directly affected by an incident. That kind of system requires a high level of accuracy from a GPS based system and I hope and believe that this will be in place for 2014.”

That looks and feels like a higher tech version of the system that works well at the Nurburgring 24 Hours and come rather closer to the ‘Code 60’ system that Creventic operate with their range of endurance events.



I really like the idea of the safety car thing . But to change Tetre Rouge is nothing short of a knee jerk reaction to the sad accident of Alan Simonsen .

Why not just extend the outside Armco further down the road so if a car does get outta sgape the ere wont be the room for a massive accident .

And Please .... I don't intend to try to belittle Simonsen's accident or in any way cause insult ..... very sad .

And where is Corvette corner please ?
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So, is the in-car electronic solution being considered something similar to a pit-road speed limiter that can be invoked by the marshals externally at the scene of an accident? Sounds promising but how do you implement it if a group of cars are bunched together going full tilt? How do you slow them in perfect synchronization without causing an accident?
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And where is Corvette corner please ?
It's at the exit of the Porsche Curves.

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Here's a track map that shows it, albeit not very clearly:
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So, is the in-car electronic solution being considered something similar to a pit-road speed limiter that can be invoked by the marshals externally at the scene of an accident? Sounds promising but how do you implement it if a group of cars are bunched together going full tilt? How do you slow them in perfect synchronization without causing an accident?
It's a similar situation to Code 60 at the Dubai 24h.
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Why not just extend the outside Armco further down the road so if a car does get outta sgape the ere wont be the room for a massive accident .
Because there is no room due to the trees (which caused the tragedy to begin with). They can't just move the the armco freely, especially considering that the ACO does not own the land there...they can't just act as they please as explained in the quotes.
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Yep the safety car situation sounds encouraging. An infinitely better solution for the fans.

I'm assuming they will push the barrier back at the exit of Tetre Rouge (removing the tree).
Either that, or widen the corner on the inside and install something similar to SAFER barrier on the outside next to the trees.
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Old 29 Nov 2013, 14:40 (Ref:3338174)   #11
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So, is the in-car electronic solution being considered something similar to a pit-road speed limiter that can be invoked by the marshals externally at the scene of an accident? Sounds promising but how do you implement it if a group of cars are bunched together going full tilt? How do you slow them in perfect synchronization without causing an accident?
Cut the fuel flow or ignition? It's not like a handbrake will be pulled.
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It's at the exit of the Porsche Curves.
Aaawww no ..... their slowly destroying the track .
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In the name of safety is going a bit far these day's . It's slowly destroying the sport . Now , I don't want to spark an argument here about it , but I'm tired of hearing that crap !

What safe about the bull run in Spain ..... or powerboat stuff or surfin with sharks or that sailing close to the ground with that wing contraption like Batman..... still people do it and go watch and what do people do at rally's ..... they stand on the outside of a corner and then gob off about safety ..... its in people's nature , and so it's the very nature of the sport that there is an element of danger .... that fin hasn't stopped some car's from going ballistic either .

I don't like that Le Man's is slowly getting sanitized ..... I remember the old pit's with big holes in the tarmac that help pool's of water when it rained , I was at the signal pit's when they were used , and witnessed Pareja's Brun Porsche give up the ghost , sitting over the pit's with your leg's dangleing 10 feet over the car's in the pit's , I remember the Dunlop Bridge straight down , never many big accident's down there but a monster accident with the NcNish/Audi ..... pretty soon everything will be a memory and sections of track will be abandoned and become nothing more than ghost's of their previous lives .

The car's are safer now than they ever were ..... leave the track alone !!!

Right ..... maybe I'm in for flak now .

Its the nature of the sport
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We don't even know about the nature of the changes so all the complaining seems to be a bit premature to say the least.
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Definitely agree it's the nature of the sport. It's completely dangerous. Death's are always a sad event, and never to be treated lightly, but that danger gives the sport a dark allure. I like that this isn't curling or shuffleboard. Mastering something with so much power for destruction really separates the painfully mundane and the courageous.

It's like space travel. You can make the space craft safer, but you're still in space. It's still right up against the physical edge of what is possible.

I am slightly saddened by the neutering of the tracks; it seems future generations won't be able to experience the sport in its rawest form. If you're worried about cars going to fast, might I suggest curling, or a rousing game of shuffleboard?

Having said all that, we will just need to wait and see what actually happens to the track. I know in the virtual world, those two turns are incredibly rewarding to get right. I would hate to see them replaced by generic curves.
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