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Old 25 Mar 2021, 01:56 (Ref:4042849)   #1951
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Lucky nothing. The best drivers build the best teams by gelling with their engineers. Fangio - always switching to get an "unfair advantage" with the car. Clark and Lotus. Stewart and Tyrrell. Senna and McLaren. Schumacher and Ferrari. Hamilton and Mercedes.

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Old 25 Mar 2021, 06:05 (Ref:4042868)   #1952
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I think Schumi was lucky to have that team around him, although he did deserve a lot of his success. But Brawn could have turned another team into a front runner. And Symonds never went to Ferrari. He worked at Toleman/Benetton/Renault, Marussia and Williams, but never Ferrari. But anyway moving on
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Old 25 Mar 2021, 08:54 (Ref:4042879)   #1953
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Some get the breaks. The best drivers usually great at deciding where to go. You’re right that Fangio was very good at getting to the right team and Clark and Lotus worked well together, as did Stewart and Tyrrell, albeit against minimal opposition. Senna and Schumi were in the right place at the right time too, but some have more success than they perhaps should have
My point is they *make* it the right place at the right time. It's not really luck, it's one of the unsung skills of being a top driver.

The fact that Ferrari was a pile of poo before Schuey arrived is a case in point. He worked with Todt to bring in the right people to make it work. Which is what makes him greater than Alonso IMO. Alonso seems to divide a team, Schumacher brought out the best in it.

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Old 25 Mar 2021, 15:17 (Ref:4042950)   #1954
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Of course, the best drivers can motivate a team. It's not just about driving fast, it's about the whole package.

Certainly Schumi couldn't have done it alone and he persuaded Todt to bring in people like Brawn. Schumi may have had it easy, but he deserved his success. Doesn't mean he was the greatest though...
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Old 25 Mar 2021, 15:49 (Ref:4042960)   #1955
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Schumi may have had it easy,


Do you genuinely think that in going to Ferrari, Schumacher had it easy?

It took years to turn the team into the dominant force they became.
The team he joined were languishing behind Williams and Benetton on the track, and were insistent on pursuing the V12 route in the face of Renault's V10.

He could have gone to Williams, or even McLaren, and been more certain of titles - but he went to a team that needed work. He was risking his career in taking the Ferrari seat.
It could be argued that the decline at Benetton after his departure showed how good he was - a point that must surely have contributed to Brawn and Byrne moving towards the Red?

Then came the package of Hakkinen, Newey and the MP4-13 - which coupled to his own leg injury meant that he did not have the support of the Tifosi at the end of 1999. Clinching the title in the last round of 2000 was probably the minimum required for Todt, Schumacher, Brawn and Byrne to save their collective careers. Anything other than the title in 2000 would likely have seen at least two of those four departing Maranello - as di Montezemolo is reported to have wanted.

Even once the run of titles was started - the field was not devoid of competition.Williams with BMW V10 power, driven by JPM and his own brother were quick enough to trouble the Ferrari and the points system of 2003 almost saw Raikkonen's sole victory for McLaren enough to take a title.

It is a discredit to look back and think that because Schumacher's record was so good, he must have had it easy. As is true in many sports - the greatest are those that make it look easy.

That must surely be the plan for Williams - instead of making it look hard, make it look easy?



(I think I referred to Williams enough to keep the thread on topic??)
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Old 25 Mar 2021, 16:18 (Ref:4042965)   #1956
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[QUOTE=midgetman;4042879]My point is they *make* it the right place at the right time. It's not really luck, it's one of the unsung skills of being a top driver.

Which is what makes him greater than Alonso IMO. Alonso seems to divide a team, Schumacher brought out the best in it.


Look at Alonso @ McLaren, a right arrogant sh.t, didn't like it when Hamilton showed him up for what he is. Hasn't done anything since either, well past his sell by date.
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Old 25 Mar 2021, 18:16 (Ref:4042994)   #1957
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Of course, the best drivers can motivate a team. It's not just about driving fast, it's about the whole package.

Certainly Schumi couldn't have done it alone and he persuaded Todt to bring in people like Brawn. Schumi may have had it easy, but he deserved his success. Doesn't mean he was the greatest though...

That's a good point. Schumi joined Ferrari in '96. A year later both Rory Byrne and Ross Brawn came over from Benetton and joined Ferrari. However I wouldn't say Schumi had it easy. He got himself disqualified that year, was bride's maid the following year and was 5th in '99, missing 7 GPs after he broke his leg going into the tyre wall at 200 mph, just after the start of the British GP.
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Changes coming- Team Principle gone - looking at his CV nailed on for Redbull engines probably?
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Changes coming- Team Principle gone - looking at his CV nailed on for Redbull engines probably?
https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/s...66376754192389

Roberts going, Capito to take Team Principal role.
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Best of luck to Capito, he’s got an impressive CV, so he has the opportunity to do well at Williams
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so why didnt he become team principle right away?

we never get proper reporting in F1 like we do with other sports, so for most things we can only infer from official press releases (so team propaganda) which never tells us much...but it does afford us the opportunity to speculate wildly!

so here goes.

was the date preset? why for this early in the season then?

mid season changes of top positions suggests confusion and discord. Roberts was always interim i guess but how much 'transition' could he have overseen in the past 5 months? was he just there to fire a bunch of people/make some really mean decisions and now has been replaced?

the team seems to be doing better this year so maybe that had something to do with an early replacement?

but seriously, 2021 was never going to be their year anyways, so how does this change affect their 2022 development program?
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so why didnt he become team principle right away?

we never get proper reporting in F1 like we do with other sports, so for most things we can only infer from official press releases (so team propaganda) which never tells us much...but it does afford us the opportunity to speculate wildly!

so here goes.

was the date preset? why for this early in the season then?

mid season changes of top positions suggests confusion and discord. Roberts was always interim i guess but how much 'transition' could he have overseen in the past 5 months? was he just there to fire a bunch of people/make some really mean decisions and now has been replaced?

the team seems to be doing better this year so maybe that had something to do with an early replacement?

but seriously, 2021 was never going to be their year anyways, so how does this change affect their 2022 development program?
From Capito's perspective, the assessment of the working team would be the right way to go, see what they are doing and what they are doing well before you institute wholesale change and disrupt what is working.

The rest, I agree with you, particularly the proper reporting in F1 bit, nobody in the media ever seems to ask the obvious questions. Guess that applies to all media everywhere, and then there is "fake news" too.
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looks like we are getting more details from Capito about the change over.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/w...-exit/6599911/

despite my early speculation, Capito saying its more of a move to better organize the technical side and give more direct supervision to also recently hired Francois-Xavier (FX) Demaison. i suppose the assertion is that Roberts was wearing one too many hats during this transition?

however, the article loses me a bit between Capito saying that the technical director needs to have much more hands on experience:

It became clear that engineering should be all in one hand: track engineering, design, aero, should all be in one hand. That should be under the technical director, and that should be a technical director who has done all jobs in racing, who has been at a drawing board, who has been a race engineer, who has done R+D, and FX is exactly that person.

but then is quoted as saying that they dont necessarily need someone with F1 experience:

Capito said the team had already received “very good applications” for the role, but that prior F1 experience was not essential.

“I think that it’s not necessarily needed,” Capito said. “Sometimes it’s good to have a view from outside. I think I saw [McLaren team principal] Andreas Seidl’s interview from last week, where he said the reason he can do this job is because he’s been outside of Formula 1!"


Seidl of course had F1 experience and is the team principle of Mclaren not it's technical director so im not sure i see the direct comparison.

but of course F1 is not the end all be all of racing and experience from different series is applicable to F1 and we have seen people from outside come into F1 and be very successful...but then again we have seen people from outside F1 come in and struggle mightily (Williams hiring of Adam Parr comes to mind).

anyways, it does all seem to be the right move as Williams has officially been without a technical director since Lowe left a few years ago, ownership transition, plus final push before the new regs coming to play. this may be the structure they need.

really hope it works out!
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