SCbR02 Sandown - 20 March - Page 2

Tourer · 21 Mar 2021, 20:08 (Ref:4042121)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

This anti-parity position is untenable. The basis of the series is victories split 50:50 and close battles for the win between different brands. Clearly parity is broken.

Nup - this first part of your post proves that you really have no idea about how parity is dealt with by the series - the rest of your post simply amplifies that.

Victories split 50:50 is not now and has never been what parity measures are designed to achieve - what the measures ARE designed to achieve though is technical parity and as close as possible an equal opportunity to win across a season and a wide range of tracks, if the driver and team get all their ducks in a row.

That is why parity is based on technical matters and when assessing it, all cars of each make (not just the winner) are considered. That way, a stand out driver is not performance-managed back to the field for example - as that would be a success penalty, rather than parity of makes.

We've also been to the two most "straight line handling" critical circuits in the country - not unusual for a car that works really well at both of them to not be quite as good elsewhere and vice versa.

Throw in wet qual and races and there's another big variable. Looks plenty close to me and naturally, when we have had two stand-out drivers duking it out for the last few years and both seeming to have an edge over everyone else, when one of them leaves the driver remaining is still likely to have that edge over everyone else.

Matt K · 21 Mar 2021, 22:55 (Ref:4042141)

Barry Ryan:

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I don't give a f**k what anybody thinks anymore. I just want to forget about last year.
When you look in our garage we've got everybody that was in our COVID team apart from two drivers and one engineer. Everyone else is still here. So the bullshit about the turnover is just media hype and crap from people that aren't in the team anymore. They can all get f**ked.

We never weren't a successful race team. Last year Anton finished eighth in the championship and had a podium and a race win. We just had one driver that wasn't successful last year, that's all it was. The bullshit that we've been through, I just want it to stop.

I mean this guy is ridiculous. Ok, everyone wants to see raw emotions but comments like this are just idiotic. He seems a deeply frustrated man and I don't think Erebus will be fighting for podiums often this year. So Mr Ryan enjoy your time in the sun while it lasts. For me the guy is a laughing stock.

bluesport · 22 Mar 2021, 03:05 (Ref:4042151)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

If you take SvG out of the equation, the parity is pretty good.

And previously if you take Scotty out of the equation the parity was pretty good, but that didn't stop Roland from getting his way, although it's most likely too late now that the horse has already bolted.

Compromised · 22 Mar 2021, 06:26 (Ref:4042160)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

And previously if you take Scotty out of the equation the parity was pretty good, but that didn't stop Roland from getting his way, although it's most likely too late now that the horse has already bolted.

This is what everyone's missing.

I'm happy to ignore individual driver performances when applying parity but that's not what happened to Scott.

Consistency is paramount, not only for a professional product, but also to keep the crazies at bay - the inconsistent regulatory spanking of fast children only gives the nutters more animation in their fight against Roland's iron grip on the series

Umai Naa · 22 Mar 2021, 10:40 (Ref:4042186)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

And previously if you take Scotty out of the equation the parity was pretty good, but that didn't stop Roland from getting his way, although it's most likely too late now that the horse has already bolted.

Agreed with the first part. The rest was just dribble.

Umai Naa · 22 Mar 2021, 10:41 (Ref:4042187)

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Originally Posted by Compromised

This is what everyone's missing.

I'm happy to ignore individual driver performances when applying parity but that's not what happened to Scott.

Consistency is paramount, not only for a professional product, but also to keep the crazies at bay - the inconsistent regulatory spanking of fast children only gives the nutters more animation in their fight against Roland's iron grip on the series

What parity measures were applied last year, despite Mr McLaughlin cleaning up?

Compromised · 22 Mar 2021, 20:04 (Ref:4042292)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

What parity measures were applied last year, despite Mr McLaughlin cleaning up?

4 wins from the first 12 races....

How long did it take the guy with the broken collarbone to get 4 wins?

Average Punter · 23 Mar 2021, 06:26 (Ref:4042352)

So now they say SVG had busted ribs as well as a smashed collarbone and AC joint.

Saw some footage of him exiting the #97 after Saturday and thought he was in some serious pain climbing out of the car.

No wonder.

I've broken ribs before and getting up out of a racecar is THE worst.
Followed closely by getting out of bed...

Sandgroper · 23 Mar 2021, 06:46 (Ref:4042354)

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Originally Posted by Average Punter

So now they say SVG had busted ribs as well as a smashed collarbone and AC joint.

Saw some footage of him exiting the #97 after Saturday and thought he was in some serious pain climbing out of the car.

No wonder.

I've broken ribs before and getting up out of a racecar is THE worst.
Followed closely by getting out of bed...

Just shows how even more impressive those 3 x wins are.

I agree with you. Ive had 1 cracked rib and that was murder

Kingair · 23 Mar 2021, 07:54 (Ref:4042363)

Only watched Channel 7 highlights package from Sandown, but SVG is just in another zone.

Nice to see Brodie Kostecki on the podium.

Perhaps for parity the rest of the teams, will be breaking their drivers collarbone.

**FIRE** · 23 Mar 2021, 18:35 (Ref:4042518)

Great racing!

Nice to see Erebus on the podium.

Compromised · 23 Mar 2021, 19:43 (Ref:4042546)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Great racing!

Nice to see Erebus on the podium.

Yeah Brodie is a superstar, not like that plodder Holdsworth. Lee only did well because of the super powered mustang. Brodie did well because he is a Brockesque talent who we've seen do well before, nothing to do with the ZB

mayhem · 23 Mar 2021, 22:22 (Ref:4042577)

It never ceases to amaze me that when punters see a driver go well, it's the car, and when he goes poorly, it's the bloke behind the wheel. Unless it's someone they support, and then those rules get completely flipped.

FWIW, I think parity seems about right, but SVG is in a world of his own. And if you cant beat him while he's busted up, then the rest of the season will be a doddle for him.

Mixer · 24 Mar 2021, 01:18 (Ref:4042586)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

And previously if you take Scotty out of the equation the parity was pretty good, but that didn't stop Roland from getting his way, although it's most likely too late now that the horse has already bolted.

Except it just wasn't true. For 6 or so months you had 6 Mustangs including a couple of also-rans, ahead of basically the rest of the field, and Scotty running half throttle so he didn't win by too much.

SVG is winning. Cam and Chaz are his closest competition but both have failed to finish races, both have had **** strategy calls, and both have crashed, into each other and into other things.

You can't create parity around other teams inability to get their **** together.

Scotty ran away with it last year and nobody said JACK **** about parity. Nobody.

Time to build a bridge.

Compromised · 24 Mar 2021, 01:40 (Ref:4042588)

Scott 2020 - 4 wins in first 12 races = running away with it

SVG 2021 - 4 wins in first 4 races = parity achieved

Umai Naa · 24 Mar 2021, 02:17 (Ref:4042592)

You can't paritise one driver.

Compromised · 24 Mar 2021, 02:31 (Ref:4042594)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

You can't paritise one driver.

You're right - Brodie is a once in a lifetime talent

bluesport · 24 Mar 2021, 02:59 (Ref:4042598)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

You can't paritise one driver.

They did a good job on Scotty in 2019 wasn't it when they had the big review and made all the changes?

Umai Naa · 24 Mar 2021, 07:53 (Ref:4042616)

Those changes were applied to all Mustangs.

Mixer · 24 Mar 2021, 22:02 (Ref:4042801)

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Originally Posted by Compromised

Scott 2020 - 4 wins in first 12 races = running away with it

NOT one person said that in 2020.

You flogs are conflating your distress with 2019 with last year where NOTHING with regards to parity was discussed the WHOLE YEAR.

leothedrummer · 24 Mar 2021, 22:20 (Ref:4042806)

Supercars is not a parity series.

tobyobi · 24 Mar 2021, 23:51 (Ref:4042839)

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Originally Posted by leothedrummer

Supercars is not a parity series.

Supercars is a technical parity series.

Supercars is not a sporting parity series.

Average Punter · 25 Mar 2021, 00:27 (Ref:4042841)

How about all the parity debate moves somewhere else?

Like sickofhearingaboutit.com?

bluesport · 25 Mar 2021, 03:09 (Ref:4042856)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Those changes were applied to all Mustangs.

Yes and now some of those changes need to be reversed to all Mustangs.

Tourer · 25 Mar 2021, 05:26 (Ref:4042864)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

Yes and now some of those changes need to be reversed to all Mustangs.

Why's that? I'm assuming you believe that after analysing lap speed across all cars in the field across all laps in all races, including top speed, yaw speeds and rates, CoG figures and other necessary information in assessing the need for such changes?

If you have that, please share but otherwise, there's no way to hold a truly objective, fully informed view on any need for a parity adjustment.

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