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Old 6 Aug 2020, 15:46 (Ref:3993360)   #1
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Can Alexander Albon survive at Red Bull?

With so many self-inflicted practice shunts and clumsy race collisions, can Alex Albon defy statistics and keep his seat at Red Bull?

On paper, several drivers in (and out of) the F1 paddock are better qualified to support Max Versatppen's charge at Mercedes-AMG - including the fast improving Pierre Gasly who seems to be drawing as much strength from his successor's weakness as his own superior pedigree.

Is another Gasly/Albon swap imminent?

Or is it time to look beyond Red Bull Junior Team alumni? Perez perhaps?
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 15:51 (Ref:3993361)   #2
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Has Gasly improved that much? A couple of decent performances. But he failed to shine before he was demoted. Personally, I would stick with Albon. He has the raw pace and he's still a youngster. You mention 'several' drivers. Who else did you have in mind? (Please don't say Di Resta!.... ).
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 16:31 (Ref:3993366)   #3
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Don't worry, I definitely wasn't going to say Di Resta or any other F1 "old boy".

Formula 1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of international motorsport. The best of the best. In theory at least, every F1 driver should have the potential to win the championship. So there should be no room for once great drivers who are now long past their "use by" date (sorry Kimi) and only the very best young drivers should make the grade. Like Micheal, Lewis, Seb, Max and Charles - drivers capable of steering a decent car to victory from the off.
Lando and George certainly have the potential, given the right equipment. But Alex already has the right equipment and rarely sees which way his younger team mate went.
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 16:38 (Ref:3993367)   #4
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I suspect that most team mates would be in the shadow of Max. Rather like Seb before him, Red Bull is his team and any team mate will be a definite #2. You say Michael and Seb? Are you looking back historically? Personally, I'd love to see George Russell in a competitive car.
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 16:45 (Ref:3993368)   #5
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Maybe first Red Bull needs to analyze why the driver of the 2nd Red Bull car is not performing the way he should.

* is he just not good enough: i.e it is Albon's fault and Gasly's fault before him?
* is he put under too much pressure? Is it too overwhelming to be Verstappen's teammate?
* is it a car/setup problem where the car is developed in a way that Verstappen likes (or doesn't mind) and is it difficult to drive for the other driver?
* is Red Bull currently not capable to run 2 cars at a competitive level?
* is it a matter of focus: does the team concentrate on making Verstappen's car faster so he can maybe fight for wins later on rather than try and improve the car to suit Albon's style?

Is it a combination of some or all of the above?

Red Bull probably knows, and if they don't I think they better try and find out.

Depending on the answers to the above
* replacing Albon by Gasly may be a part of the solution or may be just a status quo with just a different name above the garage door.
* replacing Albon by Perez, Hulkenberg, Vettel ... may be a soluton or just more of the same
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 16:53 (Ref:3993369)   #6
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Maybe first Red Bull needs to analyze why the driver of the 2nd Red Bull car is not performing the way he should.
I agree fully - but I would add:

Is Albon performing the way Red Bull expect?
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 17:08 (Ref:3993371)   #7
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Yes, historically the best drivers have always been the ones capable of upsetting the establishment on arrival. Drivers with a proven track record in junior formulae. Too many of today's drivers are in F1 for reasons other than pure merit - the sport/sponsor wants to boost viewing/sales in new countries, ex F1 racer dad, dad owns a team etc.
Couldn't agree more about George Russell. Lando Norris is rather special too. Between them they claimed 8 junior titles on their way to F1 and have career race win rates of 11.8% and 20.8% respectively. (Alex Albon is the only Red Bull F1 driver never to have won a car racing championship and has won only 4.8% of the races in his career so far - the lowest of any Red Bull, Torro Rosso or Alpha Tauri driver past or present!)

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The problem is who can replace him? Whilst Ferrari and Merc can go outside of their contracted drivers, see Sainz at Ferrari, Red Bull seem to only want Red Bull drivers in their car.
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It seems that having Toro Rosso / Alpha Tauri has painted the senior Red Bull team into a corner in tha regard.


They're kind of stuck with the youngsters unless they want to hire from outside and therefore admit the conveyor belt isn't working as well as it should.


Perhaps it'd be better to keep the senior team and simply sponsor another team to take their latest youngster, like Red Bull used to do back before they had their own team?
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I think the problem is Gasly and Albon just are not up to the level(yet) that Ricciardo was, nothing to do with the team really, but a case of not having the right talent available when Ricciardo decided to leave.

both Gasly and Albon needed more experience but were promoted to early wich is only possible with exeptional talent like Max or Charles
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To answer the original question: yes.

This year is not the norm. If he's not with RBR next year I'll buy a pint. I'm not saying who for, I'm just buy a pint!
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a case of not having the right talent available when Ricciardo decided to leave.
They had Carlos Sainz, but apparantly H. Marko doesn't like him.
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They had Carlos Sainz, but apparantly H. Marko doesn't like him.
Ricciardo most probably copped the same treatment so he walked. Verstappen is his favorite child and I can't see anyone avoiding the same treatment as second driver so the second seat at RBR will continue to be a poisened chalice if Marko doesn't change. DR had the advantage of being proven and sought after so he could afford to give them the middle finger.
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Ricciardo most probably copped the same treatment so he walked. Verstappen is his favorite child and I can't see anyone avoiding the same treatment as second driver so the second seat at RBR will continue to be a poisened chalice if Marko doesn't change. DR had the advantage of being proven and sought after so he could afford to give them the middle finger.
Absolute nonsense
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They had Carlos Sainz, but apparantly H. Marko doesn't like him.
Marko really did not appreciate Sainz seniors comments in the Spanish press about promoting Max over Carlos, and it was Carlos(and/or his father) who decided they did'nt want to wait anymore at Toro Rosso and left for Renault.
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