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Old 4 Aug 2019, 19:39 (Ref:3921318)   #91
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I can understand his motivation
He could be number 2 in a team that looked to be on the way down or he could be number one at a factory team on its way up and build a team focused on him

The extra$$ would have helped too

However if he stays with renault next year and beyond and they dont improve drastically he has waved goodbye at ever being champ
I don't believe Renault will overtake RBR in near future.
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Old 4 Aug 2019, 21:24 (Ref:3921384)   #92
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Am I the only one to believe the Verstappen Red Bull had better traction out of corners than Hamilton's Mercedes?Hungary had never been my favourite race,but it has been the scene of some interesting tactical confrontations over the years.At least the rest of the season should see some racing rather than the Mercedes led processions that we started the season with.
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Old 4 Aug 2019, 21:29 (Ref:3921385)   #93
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Difficult to judge. I suspect both are better than the Ferrari which seems to do better on quicker tracks?

A few laps from the end of the race it was clear the Mercedes had the better traction!
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Old 4 Aug 2019, 21:33 (Ref:3921386)   #94
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Great response from a very young head on Verstappen to losing the lead.. Ho.. we need points, second is great..... Young yet mature future World Champion..
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Old 5 Aug 2019, 02:53 (Ref:3921417)   #95
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I don't believe Renault will overtake RBR in near future.
Probably not now
But this time last year things werent so clear cut
RB seemed to have lost their mojo and were sliding

For some reason Danny couldnt understand most of the problems were Renault related
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Old 5 Aug 2019, 07:45 (Ref:3921441)   #96
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Again a nice race of 1st position. Good call from Mercedes and great driving by both. Only thing Red Bull could've done is switch to the medium and the 1st stop for a two stop right away and stop a 2nd time for softs at the end. But that's very much easy talk in hind sight. Also I don't know if he had another set of medium?
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Old 5 Aug 2019, 08:22 (Ref:3921444)   #97
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Probably not now
But this time last year things werent so clear cut
RB seemed to have lost their mojo and were sliding

For some reason Danny couldnt understand most of the problems were Renault related
Hang on.Red Bull had won Monaco and Austria.Later on they locked out front row at Mexico.The decision had nothing to do with Red Bull v Renault.Verstappen was dominating Ricciardo in the second half of last year.Dan needed to “do a Rosberg” and find it within himself to compete with and possibly beat a faster team mate.He didn’t have the stomach for this.If you watch the Netflix series in the episode about him leaving Red Bull Horner says he was “running away from a fight” which is about right.A career kamikaze move.
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Old 5 Aug 2019, 08:41 (Ref:3921447)   #98
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But this time last year things werent so clear cut
RB seemed to have lost their mojo and were sliding

For some reason Danny couldnt understand most of the problems were Renault related
no, Dan had lost his mojo, Red Bull scored 11 podiums and 2 wins with Max in the second part of last season
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Old 5 Aug 2019, 09:27 (Ref:3921457)   #99
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That was a brilliant piece of strategy, worthy of a chess champion. Get Lewis in-and-out without dropping a place. Then quickly close the gap so Max couldn't pit without losing track position. It was a most unusual situation created by the large gap back to third (which in turn was created by the poor performances of Bottas, Gasly and the Ferraris). I can't imagine that it featured anywhere on plans A to Z so congratulations to Mercedes on spotting it, checking there was no hidden downside and executing it all within the tight time window they had.

Can anyone else see a drift towards some dodgy late moves under braking? K-Mag on Riciardo was pretty clear-cut, yet he got away with it. I thought Leclerc hitting Bottas' front wind looked pretty iffy too, though we only got the one look at it from one camera. Perhaps the stewards have been stung by all the criticism on a certain well-know F1 forum () and are afraid to jump in with penalties.

While everyone is getting excited about Verstappen and Leclerc, the other new-boys performed well, within the inevitable constraints of the cars they are given to drive.
Lando Norris out-qualified Carlos Sainz although he lost out a bit in the first lap scrabble and then got thumped by a problematic tyre stop.
Alex Albon lost out in the exciting wheel-to-wheel duel we saw on TV but finished five places in front of Kvyat.
George Russell produced an excellent qually lap in the Williams and went on the finish 16th, in front of Stroll, Giovinazzi and his team-mate.
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Old 5 Aug 2019, 09:44 (Ref:3921462)   #100
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After Germany, we have another exciting race at the Hungaroring. And without the need of rain

Great battling between Max and Lewis, shame Max's tyres weren't able to hold on, but it was a good defence while it lasted. Hard but fair racing between both

Vettel seems to be rediscovering his mojo, managing to pass people with incident. Shame he hasn't driven like that from the start. Although what was Leclerc doing on the first lap? Feel sorry for Bottas, Leclerc just drove into him

McLaren back up there again, are we having a repeat of 2010-11 where the big four was Mercedes, RBR, Ferrari and McLaren?

I hope this good racing continues at Spa
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Question: Why didn't Red Bull leave Max out for a bit (say 8 Laps?) - then pit Max for the Red Soft tyre to swap the game around - as Lewis had put the Yellow Medium tyre on?
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Question: Why didn't Red Bull leave Max out for a bit (say 8 Laps?) - then pit Max for the Red Soft tyre to swap the game around - as Lewis had put the Yellow Medium tyre on?

It was a dilemma. Yes, he would have the newer softer tyre, but he would've lost track position. You first than have to over take Hamilton on track. Secondly, Hamilton's victory was not only down to strategy. Mercedes still had about 0.15s pace advantage. At the Hongaroring you need about a 1.5s pace advantage to get past. So say 0.6s for the soft tyre and another 0.3s being 5 laps newer. That give 0.6 + 0.3 - 0.15s = 0.75s pace advantage on the softs. That would've been too little to make it work most likely.




What they could've done is switch to a 2nd set of mediums on the first stop, try to built a small gap on the softer mediums (compared to Hamilton's hard's) and than switch to the softs for a last dash and overtake. But still it would've been quite a gamble and 100% hindsight. They expected the medium and hard's to last longer, but they hadn't been able to test the hard's in practise and both were forced to push the tyres much harder than usual.
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Im questioning RBR race software/strategy people.

Maybe i saw it wrong but covering LH's and trusting Max to fight it out with LH was the better less risky option... both at the moment and in hindsight right?

You have the inferior car so you put the race in your star driver's hands. Bad on a strategy and team management level.
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Question: Why didn't Red Bull leave Max out for a bit (say 8 Laps?) - then pit Max for the Red Soft tyre to swap the game around - as Lewis had put the Yellow Medium tyre on?
No confidence in their driver being able to overtake Hamilton.
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For some reason Danny couldnt understand most of the problems were Renault related
The entire team except Dan had the knives out for Renault. They justified themselves by blaming Renault for all their woes. Now they can't say enough kind things about Honda, yet their competitive position has barely changed.
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