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Old 22 Feb 2013, 21:28 (Ref:3209298)   #1
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Pirelli-The Tyre Story..

I am getting a little bored with the tyre stories..

They are round and black. Pirelli could you please choose how you arrive at your compounds and *please* let us get on with it..

I can not remember another time in the sport when a tyre manufacturer has had so much influence..

Let us not use this as an excuse for a good bashing session..
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Old 22 Feb 2013, 22:26 (Ref:3209335)   #2
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I am pleased you posted this , I feel exactly the same way . Trying not to do any bashing but Pirelli please pick a compound and stick to it . Why do we need a different tyre every season ? I hope the drivers comments lately about this seasons new tyres are just because of the cold temps , I dont want to see even more pitstops this year .
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Old 22 Feb 2013, 22:42 (Ref:3209352)   #3
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All I am asking for is some consistency..

The technology is brilliant. the fact that Pirelli can deliver many variations is really extremely clever, and I am being somewhat disingenuous when I say they are black and round, that was not too intelligent on my behalf..

For constructors to have to guess about what the next season will bring is somewhat ?..I am beginning to feel like we are being manipulated, I dont care for that feeling.

The money is not there for this game..
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Old 22 Feb 2013, 22:47 (Ref:3209358)   #4
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In these limited testing times , how much track time is wasted just trying to figure out the tyres ?
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In defence of Pirelli they produce new tyres every year to keep the teams on their toes. If they produced the same tyre every season the races could become too predictable, think back to the Bridgestone years.

At least with Pirelli the tyres present a challange to both the drivers and the teams.

Next year with new engines then we will have a whole new challange.
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Old 22 Feb 2013, 22:59 (Ref:3209371)   #6
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In defence of Pirelli they produce new tyres every year to keep the teams on their toes. If they produced the same tyre every season the races could become too predictable, think back to the Bridgestone years.

At least with Pirelli the tyres present a challange to both the drivers and the teams.

Next year with new engines then we will have a whole new challange.
I do quite like that challenge, not quite as pure as full freedom of reg. However if we can't have that (and I understand the reasons why), then this provides a challenge. Same for everyone and not tailored to suit one team, intentionally.

I too am bored of tyre stories. This is how it is, where is the story for those that get it? Two compounds each race and the team needs to get the best out of it. Bring on Melbourne...
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Old 22 Feb 2013, 23:05 (Ref:3209374)   #7
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Was it the BBC website today where i read JEV referred to the tyres as "cauliflowers" .
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It 's a whole bunch of jibberish that, what is atm a single tyre formula, the tyres have become such as issue. 1 manufacturer choosing to participate means that multiple compounds are unnecessary. It completely demeans/devalues the supposed highest level of motorsport that any manufacturer is asked to develop marshmallow tyres. Whinging fans, he and around the world, who complain that races are drawn out or "boring" are blowing a tornado of hot air.

What those people don't get (even in the F1 industry) is that 300kms is a long, long, looooonnnnnnng way. It 's really is a long way. Unless you totally corrupt the nature of a legit car race, there will always be dead or quiet periods. But no, you/they want a fvee race on steroids. Do something else on a sunday afternoon/night. The only time tyre should become a news story is when it there's a legit competition between two or more manufacturers or when a manufacturer brings in a new development. It is secondary news story otherwise.
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Old 22 Feb 2013, 22:52 (Ref:3209364)   #9
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Are they actually testing the race compounds that will be used? I like the guessing game of early last season. It got boring near the end where there was only one stop and tires didn't fade all that much.
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Are they actually testing the race compounds that will be used? I like the guessing game of early last season. It got boring near the end where there was only one stop and tires didn't fade all that much.
But we need and love racing..
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I don't want to watch if that happens on the pit wall...
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It would be foolish to think that we can return to an era when racing was more pure, I would just sound like an old timer which I am..

But for heavens sake,you know what I mean don't you...

Am I just being delusional ...
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I like racing too, but I enjoy seeing what driver can save their tires vs who can't. They all get the same tires. I remember when Ferrari/MS had exclusive Bridgestone support where no one else had that. That was unfair.
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I like racing too, but I enjoy seeing what driver can save their tires vs who can't. They all get the same tires. I remember when Ferrari/MS had exclusive Bridgestone support where no one else had that. That was unfair.
That was unfair and cheating really I agree...
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I remember when Ferrari/MS had exclusive Bridgestone support where no one else had that.
Yes and the races were very exciting so much so that I could not stay awake for them.
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Yes and the races were very exciting so much so that I could not stay awake for them.
That was like watching a certain fellow win every tennis match..
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In defence of Pirelli they produce new tyres every year to keep the teams on their toes.
It seems they've become more of a pain in the ****.

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If they produced the same tyre every season the races could become too predictable, think back to the Bridgestone years.
You might have to review your opinion. 1999 and 2000 were very good seasons. I would not laugh at anyone who thought 2000 was the best year of F1 in the last 20 or so. There was nothing wrong with 2007-10 as far what influence tyres had.


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At least with Pirelli the tyres present a challange to both the drivers and the teams.
What are they?
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It is secondary news story otherwise.
The sort of news story that you don't want is when one manufacturers tyres actually have a construction failure (Indy 2005) because they have pushed their tyre just a little too far. And if truth be told, that's why you'll never see another tyre war again. The FIA have no influence on how a tyre manufacturer makes an F1 tyre other than its dimensions. With a single tyre provider the FIA can at least be assured that the tyre isn't going to be structurally compromised. Those boring round black things do at least need to be safe.
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It seems they've become more of a pain in the ****.

You might have to review your opinion. 1999 and 2000 were very good seasons. I would not laugh at anyone who thought 2000 was the best year of F1 in the last 20 or so. There was nothing wrong with 2007-10 as far what influence tyres had.


What are they?
1999 & 2000 were good season but it was the rivalry between McLaren & Ferrari that made it.

In the 2007-10 period Bridgestone made tyres that were probably more suited to endurance racing.

The current tyres are designed to have a limited lifespan and that is what makes the challenge, of which tyre to use and for how long. For the driver it is drive more aggresively and have more pit stops V's drive carefully and have less tyre changes. If you have tyres that last a whole race then it does not present a strategy challenge.
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Yes and the races were very exciting so much so that I could not stay awake for them.
Just like the last 5 years. What's changed?
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Hamilton: Current F1 tyres dictate no out-and-out racing

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/911812...tandout-racing


“I don’t know how it has been for everyone else but there have not been a lot of races where you have been able to push to the maximum. There is so much lift and coast because the tyres overheat the whole time." Hamilton
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I like racing too, but I enjoy seeing what driver can save their tires vs who can't. They all get the same tires. I remember when Ferrari/MS had exclusive Bridgestone support where no one else had that. That was unfair.
Yet statistically not nearly as unfair as having a works Mercedes is.
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I am getting a little bored with the tyre stories..
I much prefer them to driver stories.

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They are round and black.
Yes, I remember TGF telling some journo much the same thing when asked which tyres he would be using for the race.

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I can not remember another time in the sport when a tyre manufacturer has had so much influence..
hmmmm.....I remember all that was talked about during pre-sole tyre supplier days was which tyre would better suit this track or that track, or this driver or that driver.

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Let us not use this as an excuse for a good bashing session..
Agreed.
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You can do better than that..

And it just fine if you don't know, because I think we are being hoodwinked with this tyre stuff..
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