[VASC19R23R24] ITM Auckland SuperSprint Pukekohe Park Raceway NZ - 13-15 Sep

[Compromised]

After a bit of time to reflect, I've come to sympathise a little with Race Control - I feel they used the Safety Car to stop Jamie and co flying around the rest of the track to beat Scotty and the rest out of the pits.

So it was essentially used for safety, which is hard to argue against. Yes, it affected the race result, but looking at Jamie's sector times after he passed the SC shows drivers are still pushing and with no real way to punish that behavior, Race Control used the SC in rather an unorthodox, but SAFE manner (to begin with anyway).

[johnh875]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

"While I knew I wasn’t the leader of the race, and despite my engineer confidently telling me over the radio to not get held up by the safety car, the lights in front of me were orange"

Yes JW is in control of his own destiny but you do have to also trust the people around you also.

What a ridiculous instruction for the engineer to give. When the SC is out he is not in control.

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by Compromised

So it was essentially used for safety, which is hard to argue against. Yes, it affected the race result, but looking at Jamie's sector times after he passed the SC shows drivers are still pushing and with no real way to punish that behavior, Race Control used the SC in rather an unorthodox, but SAFE manner (to begin with anyway).

His laptime was mentioned as only 2 seconds slower than "normal" on his 2nd chase to the Safety Car. Hardly slowing down to a safe speed.

[Driver TBA]

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/19...ce-suspension/

Over reaction from CAMS, or justified?

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[chavez]

Originally Posted by johnh875

What a ridiculous instruction for the engineer to give. When the SC is out he is not in control.

And he should be given a holiday too.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by Driver TBA

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/19...ce-suspension/

Over reaction from CAMS, or justified?

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Didnt sound great to me.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by johnh875

What a ridiculous instruction for the engineer to give. When the SC is out he is not in control.

Yep agreed but he was told and did again what he wanted to do and will suffer the consequences.

[mite5255]

I can see this being sorted out in the courts

[gtcapri]

A lot of 'coulds' and mights' in that article. He'll be at Bathurst, even if suspended 888 will launch an appeal so it any suspension will be delayed anyway.
He already apologised the next day which will help his cause. CAMS is just posturing and looking forward to a better funded Xmas party..

[Driver TBA]

Originally Posted by gtcapri

CAMS is just posturing.

That's all I see. At best a 4 figure fine and public apology. At worst, a fine, a few championship points and perhaps the CAMS equivalent of community service....

No way is it worthy of a suspension from one of the biggest races of the year.



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[GTRMagic]

Maybe if Mr Whincup buys an F4... oh wait...

[Mixer]

They are as bad as AFL umpires. Think their **** don't stink and can't admit any fault.

[gtcapri]

Originally Posted by Mixer

They are as bad as AFL umpires. Think their **** don't stink and can't admit any fault.

Could you imagine the ramifications of any fault admitting by any sports body Mixer? How many cashed up sports teams would take up a legal fight against the governing body on all sorts of situations to seek everything from result reversing to compensation. And that then opens up a never ending can of worms for the betting community. It's not right but I understand why it happens.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by gtcapri

Could you imagine the ramifications of any fault admitting by any sports body Mixer? How many cashed up sports teams would take up a legal fight against the governing body on all sorts of situations to seek everything from result reversing to compensation. And that then opens up a never ending can of worms for the betting community. It's not right but I understand why it happens.

Literally, the betting companies can **** right off.

Bad enough they break all applicable laws about apps and promotion of gambling but we have to see betting odds seamlessly dovetailed into sports broadcasting by "advertisements".

The Government needs to grow some balls and ban the lot like they did ciggies.

[Woolley]

I haven't seen the race yet, we get it here a week or so late, so forgive me if I'm missing something obvious.

The position seems to be that Jamie wasn't leading at the point the SC boards and flags went out. However, everyone in front of him pitted (is that correct?) thus he was the first car to cross the line on the track? If that is the case I'm struggling to understand what RC is supposed to have done wrong?

All of this is a symptom of SC being introduce by FIA in a way which is deliberately different from the American way of doing things, which was in any case originally intended for ovals. If we simply adopted their method:

When the SC boards (double stationary yellow in US, much better for the marshals) are shown, all drivers immediately slow to a safe pace [they don't]
Pit lane entry is closed at the point the flag comes out, drivers may only stop for force majeure (damage/imminently due to run out of fuel). [it doesn't]
Once cars are at a safe place, the SC is released onto track as the leader approaches [it doesn't]

The problems with SC at most events is due to the [bits in square brackets] because FIA doesn't do it right. However FCY/VSC as introduced by WEC and latterly F1 is highly effective, safer for the marshals and largely avoids all of these problems.

[sizzle]

Roland Dane gives a very accurate assessment of what happened on the Enforcer and the Dude.

[Maggo]

Originally Posted by sizzle

Roland Dane gives a very accurate assessment of what happened on the Enforcer and the Dude.

That was very impressive.

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by mite5255

I can see this being sorted out in the courts

Very much will be the case... and unfortunately i don't think CAMS would win.

They hang this axe over your head that they'll randomly breath test officials at a race weekend. And whilst I have seen events where every driver gets checked, maybe the same should be applied to every official at sign on or upon entry. Only remember 2 occasions seening officials get tested and both happened at Phillip Island.
That way the few that do (been an official, so i know that Saturday night you might have an extra one or two), they can weed out those that may have pushed the limit or still under the influence in some way.

[Compromised]

Imagine breath testing pit lane Sunday morning... Some teams would end up severely understaffed...

The whole circus really needs to up the professionalism to be honest.

[Forda]

Whincup, Waters escape bans after apologising for heated comments

[S griffin]

I saw that too. Thank goodness we can all move on from this messy incident

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Forda

Whincup, Waters escape bans after apologising for heated comments

Well theres a surprise.

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by Compromised

Imagine breath testing pit lane Sunday morning... Some teams would end up severely understaffed...

The whole circus really needs to up the professionalism to be honest.

Big call, but I hope you're mistaken that teams would be like that.

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by Woolley

I haven't seen the race yet, we get it here a week or so late, so forgive me if I'm missing something obvious.

The position seems to be that Jamie wasn't leading at the point the SC boards and flags went out. However, everyone in front of him pitted (is that correct?) thus he was the first car to cross the line on the track? If that is the case I'm struggling to understand what RC is supposed to have done wrong?

OK, now seen the race and that summary does seem to be wrong. The problem is, I can't actually work out what did happen. What a mess.

[johnh875]

Originally Posted by Woolley

OK, now seen the race and that summary does seem to be wrong. The problem is, I can't actually work out what did happen. What a mess.

The leaders were behind him when the SC was called, and they then pitted. There was a big gap in front of Whincup so it is easy to see why they put the SC out in front of Whincup, but that hold up gave a massive advantage to the cars that pitted under the safety car.

If there wasn't a SC it would have been close as to who came out in front. If the SC had been held until it could pick up the leader, the SC-inspired much longer fuel fills the early pitters (JW, LH etc) would have jumped them as JW did, but have a longer pit stop to come later in the race.

I don't think it is unfair to say that race control should have been aware of the impact they were having on the race with their timing of the SC release, given there was no imminent danger at hand. In an urgent scenario of course that is not a consideration, but there really wasn't any urgency here.