WTCC Istanbul Thread - Page 6

**FIRE** · 18 Sep 2005, 14:41 (Ref:1410595)

What's Farfus doing?

**Dani Filth** · 18 Sep 2005, 14:42 (Ref:1410597)

playing around

**Dani Filth** · 18 Sep 2005, 14:43 (Ref:1410599)

a bit better race 2 . but still . the circuit isn't really suited for sprint races like in WTCC

back to BTCC ..
i'll be back a bit later

**FIRE** · 18 Sep 2005, 14:45 (Ref:1410602)

Race 2 was indeed better (like in most cases), but I prefer the smaller circuits.

Hazard · 18 Sep 2005, 14:46 (Ref:1410603)

Good race...keeps the championship nice and close, Dirk scoring the most of the top contenders surprisingly!

And another podium for Alex!

E46 · 18 Sep 2005, 14:46 (Ref:1410604)

Congratulations Zanardi, you are a real racer.

EDIT: Boring races, Istambul isn´t a track for WTCC.

**Dani Filth** · 18 Sep 2005, 14:48 (Ref:1410605)

yes . like we didn't already knew that

rustyfan · 18 Sep 2005, 14:54 (Ref:1410609)

I guess I should have known better to think that the Alfa-drivers were allowed to race eachother...

The win in race two belonged to Farfus - rather pathetic by the team boss to order him to let Tarquini by (which was rather obvious that it was the case).

**FIRE** · 18 Sep 2005, 14:57 (Ref:1410616)

Result Race 2:
1 2 Gabriele TARQUINI ITA Alfa Romeo 156 21:07.765 10 150.98 2:05.771
2 7 Augusto FARFUS JR. BRA Alfa Romeo 156 21:08.028 10 0.263 150.95 2:05.817
3 4 Alessandro ZANARDI ITA BMW 320i 21:08.868 10 1.103 150.85 2:06.266
4 3 James THOMPSON GBR Alfa Romeo 156 21:12.303 10 4.538 150.45 2:05.803
5 43 Dirk MULLER GER BMW 320i 21:13.188 10 5.423 150.34 2:06.213
6 6 Fabrizio GIOVANARDI ITA Alfa Romeo 156 21:17.129 10 9.364 149.88 2:05.825
7 8 Rickard RYDELL SWE SEAT Toledo Cupra 21:19.173 10 11.408 149.64 2:06.269
8 23 Alain MENU SUI Chevrolet Lacetti 21:19.302 10 11.537 149.62 2:06.704
9 1 Andy PRIAULX GBR BMW 320i 21:21.672 10 13.907 149.35 2:07.022
10 10 Peter TERTING GER SEAT Toledo Cupra 21:22.854 10 15.089 149.21 2:06.538
11 32 I Marc HENNERICI GER BMW 320i 21:23.245 10 15.480 149.16 2:07.091
12 42 Jorg MULLER GER BMW 320i 21:23.611 10 15.846 149.12 2:06.212
13 21 Robert HUFF GBR Chevrolet Lacetti 21:25.617 10 17.852 148.89 2:07.128
14 31 I Giuseppe CIRO ITA BMW 320i 21:29.617 10 21.852 148.43 2:06.774
15 30 I Stefano D'ASTE ITA BMW 320i 21:31.948 10 24.183 148.16 2:07.816
16 27 I Adriano DE MICHELI ITA Honda Accord Euro R 21:33.043 10 25.278 148.03 2:07.164
17 14 Thomas KLENKE GER Ford Focus 21:38.917 10 31.152 147.36 2:08.189
18 28 I Carl ROSENBLAD SWE BMW 320i 21:46.545 10 38.780 146.50 2:07.828
Not Classified
9 Jordi GENE ESP SEAT Leon 8:45.152 4 D.N.F. 144.94 2:08.554
22 Nicola LARINI ITA Chevrolet Lacetti 8:58.306 4 D.N.F. 141.40 2:09.835
29 Stephane ORTELLI MON SEAT Toledo Cupra 6:40.672 3 D.N.F. 142.01 2:12.628
5 Antonio GARCIA ESP BMW 320i 4:15.502 2 D.N.F. 147.49 2:05.833

Fastest Lap
2 Gabriele TARQUINI Alfa Romeo 156 2:05.771 2 94.94mph 152.79
31 I Giuseppe CIRO BMW 320i 2:06.774 6 94.19mph 151.58
Source: www.msttiming.com

Bernard Bram · 18 Sep 2005, 14:58 (Ref:1410618)

Alfa is a joke. First Giovanardis move, then team orders for nothing. Has Tarquini anything to gain in the championship anymore? I can understand team orders in Giovanardis favour, but for the rest? Stupid.

Hazard · 18 Sep 2005, 14:59 (Ref:1410620)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyfan

I guess I should have known better to think that the Alfa-drivers were allowed to race eachother...

The win in race two belonged to Farfus - rather pathetic by the team boss to order him to let Tarquini by (which was rather obvious that it was the case).

Sorry, don't buy that. I think Tarquini just didn't expect Farfus to even try, and he took him by surprise.

Alfa's don't race each other, it's all old-school Ferrari F1 style showboatism when they're together.

cybersdorf · 18 Sep 2005, 15:05 (Ref:1410628)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazard

Alfa's don't race each other, it's all old-school Ferrari F1 style showboatism when they're together.

"Old school" - why? Do Ferraris race each other today?

Anyway, team tactics are one thing but with this many Alfas from the same team (!) out there, they can stifle the whole race if Miss Monica thinks that's how it should be.

There are as many works-supported BMWs out there as well, but at least they run for different teams so they don't automatically fall in line and follow their leader.

Hazard · 18 Sep 2005, 15:51 (Ref:1410659)

And drivers standings for the WTCC, nice and close:

Code:

Andy Priaulx		74
Dirk Müller 		73
Fabrizio Giovanardi 	70
Gabriele Tarquini 	55
James Thompson 		51
Rickard Rydell 		49
Antonio Garc�*a 		48
Augusto Farfus jr. 	47
Jörg Müller 		45
Alessandro Zanardi 	26
Peter Terting 		21
Jordi Gené 		19
Tom Coronel 		11
Jason Plato 		10
Stefano D´Aste 		8
Alain Menu 		5
Roberto Colciago 	4
Robert Huff 		3
Stéphane Ortelli 	3
Nicola Larini 		2

**Dani Filth** · 18 Sep 2005, 17:22 (Ref:1410720)

he's 22 points behind the leader . so he can still win it .
4 points between top 3 . it's gonna go down to Macau for sure
and only 15 points advantage for BMW

regarding team orders . you're kidding yourself if u ever though they are gonna race each other anymore . they did plenty of that last year . i can't even remember how many times they took each other out .. i don;t need that anymore

regarding Giovanardi's move .. it came from a long way behind . but it wasnt' delibarate racing incident . nothing too harsh IMHO .. and he did get passed Zanardi cleanly in the same move . just that Garcia was on the outside of Alex too . it happends .

**Dani Filth** · 18 Sep 2005, 17:25 (Ref:1410723)

it would be nice to get more works team running Alfas .. but it's unlikely it will ever happen .. Alfa Romeo doesn't have the money ..
did Alfa in the last 15 years run more than 1 works team in a Championship ??

flor · 18 Sep 2005, 17:59 (Ref:1410751)

Werent Schübel and J.A.S. works teams in the DTM/ITC?

Hazard · 18 Sep 2005, 19:22 (Ref:1410797)

Quote:

Fabrizio Giovanardi
I tried to overtake Zanardi and did not see Garc�*a. The braking was very difficult with three cars entering the corner and I just touched Antonio (Garc�*a) but I think it was a normal race incident

I'd hate to 'just touch' Gio on the road! My car would be a wreck.

GR Asia have lost the lead in the independants team trophy to Proteam. Good work by both Ciro & d'Aste today. Coronel & that Turkish guy with the really difficult to remember name were nowhere. Coronel's chances of taking another independant crown took a big hit with the no score today.

Despite JT's confusing comments in the interview, Alfa took maximum points in both rounds today (as points are only awarded to the top two cars) and closed up 14pts on BMW.

kmchow · 18 Sep 2005, 22:26 (Ref:1410908)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dani Filth

it would be nice to get more works team running Alfas .. but it's unlikely it will ever happen .. Alfa Romeo doesn't have the money ..
did Alfa in the last 15 years run more than 1 works team in a Championship ??

How about letting that Giudici guy run it? He's quite a passionate Alfa fan? The same guy who Alfa blocked from building a DTM spec Alfa 159?

**Dani Filth** · 19 Sep 2005, 07:08 (Ref:1411081)

if he's competitive .. i woudn't mind .

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