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IRL road courses '04 or '05
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I didn't know Milwaukee was being added for next year? But road courses...I suppose it would be interesting too see Indycars on a road course...I wouldnt put more than two on for next year, just to see how they went..but still, I'd say four max per year. Indycar racing is at its best on ovals.
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Looks like the IndyCar series will become what CART used to be when it got started in '79, a championship based on ovals with some non-oval events thrown in. In '79 CART had just one non-oval event, at Watkins Glen.
I personally think it will be quite interesting to, eventually, see the IndyCar series at road/street-circuits, as long as they pick some good ones. |
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Particularly if CART's problems get more and more serious
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IRL on street and road? no no no no no etc. For
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Well, IMO, road racing can be even more entertaining than oval racing, but these days all these saftey issuses prevent that. Look at René Arnoux vs Gilles Villenuve back at Dijon in '79, that was terrific stuff. You hardly ever see racing like that on the road courses anymore. (with the British GP being a rare example of how it should be done)
The question is, can the IRL Indycar Series change all that? Imagine some side-by-side racing, say, through the corkscrew at Laguna Seca, or on the elevation changes at Road America. I would love to see that. However, I would still rather have most of the races on ovals. Maybe ditch a couple of the short ovals though, they can make for quite a dull race. So, I'm all for the IRL Indycar Series to take on a few road courses, but only a maximum of three, and keep it to that. Say, one at the start of the year, one in the middle and one at the end. That's my two cents anyway. And this is my 1000th post! ![]() Last edited by Down F0rce; 29 Jul 2003 at 14:23. |
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2 road courses per year seem to work quite nicely for the NASCAR Winston Cup series
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CART may get absorbed by the IRL, hence opening the door to everyroad course, and a sereis run in dictator fashion, as we see a board running CART has many short comings.
This is pivotal to the split and the reunification- I wouldn't mind seeing them at the Glen first though |
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keep those IRL cars on the ovals they arent ment to race on road courses. There was mention of Toronto on ESPNs website. Well canadians hate the IRL so keep it out of here
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All talk about potential tracks is pure speculation at this point, so you can ease down on the whine-o-meter.
I dearly hope that they go for some real road courses as opposed to street-circuits when they make a final decision. Watkins Glen and Road America would be my two picks - both being fast tracks with great scenery and some nice elevation changes etc. Last edited by rustyfan; 30 Jul 2003 at 07:44. |
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I'd like to see them have a go at a road course but then again im a road racer at heart but i'd like to see them try it but definatell not take over the series with road courses I believe 90% should still be on ovals.
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I think TG's fear is that, in case of CART crashdown, the most important road/street races might be snatched by GT/Sportscars.
He just want his providers to get a street kit ready in case of need. |
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I don't see why GT/Sportscars would exclude IndyCars from running somewhere though.
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Sportcars wouldn't exclude IRL from anywhere, but the Tracks may get the best dates for ALMS and hence making the uphill battle for IRL roadraces all the more difficult, much like CART take priority over ALMS at Road America- the ALMS seems a bit emptier than CART weekends there (of course CART smartly has run with AMA and clubs that weekend in the past... so)
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Yes gttouring, that's exactly right
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I think something like CLEVELAND would suit perfectly for the IRL cars.
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There was an article in my local paper stating that Watkins Glen might be one of the road courses to be added. Here's the full article if you have a hard time believing me... http://www.syracuse.com/search/index...0.xml?syrspcar
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of course it would be as ISC which are the tracks IRL mostly runs on owns the Glen, those jerks, and they have had problems forever letting cart go there
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Knew it was coming. Look at the backpedaling from just about all of the IRL's so called original intent statements.
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If you think JJ Yeley, Dave Darland, Dave Steele, Jac Haudenschild, et al have a hard time breaking into the IRL, it's going to be impossible with road courses. Hey Tony, you lied again...
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This is sponsor driven. Barnes is speaking for Chevrolet. Penske for Marlboro, and other for Toyota. Toyota demands California, as does Chevy. Chevy also wants Ontario.
But what all the teams and sponsors want is better ratings and more fans. The oval only format, despite having all the top OW teams, simply is not doing any better than CART. Everyone considers 2.0 the minimum number required from TV coverage to retain sponsorship. The only realistic chance to get that is with a fan base of both road racing and oval racing OW fans. Neither camp is large enough on its' own to acheive that. CART's feiry cash crash has only hastened this, as everyone wants to save the better venues from extinction. But make no mistake this is 100% sponsor driven, from the teams in IRL itself. IMHO, Toronto and Motegi will be the only non-US races. Motegi is an extremely poor race to run, but it was the price for Honda to enter. Ontario will not be liked by half the sponsors, who are US only (e.g., Toyota, Marlboro), but will be welcomed by the other half who include Canada in their US sales territories (e.g., Chevrolet, Pioneer, Honda). Keep this in mind. Unless OW gets ratings close to 2.0 soon, there wont be any sponsors. NASCAR will be the only game left. |
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TG didn't lie - the IRL was very committed to the initial vision during its first couple of years of existence. Then, as the IRL started to grow and gain a bit of popularity (both amongst the public and drivers higher up the racing ladder as opposed to those still running sprints and midgets), the vision started to change and evolve into something bigger.
To be frank, I find all the whining about "The Vision" absolutely ridiculous, regardless of whether it comes from a "respectable" writer like Robin Miller or someone posting on a message forum. Not only is it a wasted effort to put energy into complaining about that, it's also naive to think that something will stay the same forever and that it shouldn't be allowed to change. /rant-mode off |
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