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Old 9 Mar 2020, 19:02 (Ref:3962590)   #16
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Just checked and my MSUK licence lapsed some years ago so here goes.

They've got some problems.

In my world karting is fragmenting away from MSUK governance, including one prestigious national series that has allegedly attracted TV coverage on Sky Sports F1. I believe litigation by the MSUK is involved there. "IKR" as it has been dubbed is kart racing outside of the auspices of MSUK and is thriving.

Loads of new MSUK rules are sending people away, both drivers and teams. It will happen in car racing - already there are "non-MSUK" sprint series.

Actions like the treatment of Frank Lyons will further drive a wedge between the drivers and the self-appointed "governing body". Surely a dialogue is more appropriate than Draconian penalties, even if they are "pour encourager les autres"?

I think that MSUK has lost a good man and we will regret its actions. A sad day for motor sport.

I've checked and I can't see anything other than fact and fair comment here

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Old 9 Mar 2020, 20:27 (Ref:3962611)   #17
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Old 9 Mar 2020, 22:16 (Ref:3962631)   #18
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I think that MSUK has lost a good man ...........
I think they've lost a lot more than that. Time will tell.
I had a read of the Policies & Guidelines, one part caught my eye:

"Most importantly…
A common-sense approach needs to be used by everyone involved in motorsport."

My italics, no further comment.
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Old 10 Mar 2020, 05:51 (Ref:3962650)   #19
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The interesting thing is that last year I emailed the MUK about an issue I had an opinion about and when I received a reply I was (presumably mistakenly) copied in on the internal email stream discussing my issue.
In one of those internal emails, a senior official within MUK made some personal and disparaging remarks about me (despite not knowing me) which I found offensive. I complained to the commercial director but was basically dismissed.
One rule for one......
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Old 10 Mar 2020, 06:43 (Ref:3962658)   #20
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If they’re so terrified about negative comment - that in itself tells you a lot about them...

It’s always annoyed that they’ve somehow got away with the (self-appointed) regulator claim.
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Old 10 Mar 2020, 10:08 (Ref:3962726)   #21
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THere does seem to be a shift happening

I don't know what license holder numbers are like in the last 20 years, but most people I raced with since 2004 have moved on, or at most doing a lot less.
I still have a license but haven't done much in recent years, its losing its gradually losing it's appeal, primarily due to unaffordability, and partly a change in character and atmosphere.

I say that despite actually having a half decent income again, the costs have spiralled everywhere.
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Old 10 Mar 2020, 11:55 (Ref:3962752)   #22
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Sad event

Whilst not personally knowing Frank - it's sad news for motorsport. Over the years the Lyon's have contributed a great deal and been willing to enter some expensive bits of kit.
I don't know what opinions Frank expressed, but I for one am not always politically correct and wouldn't want racing to be become a world where you had to keep your mouth zipped. Perhaps we could introduce VAR into racing to ensure there is no need for opinion and everything is perfect
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Just received email from HSCC, seems Frank is standing for re election
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Old 17 Mar 2020, 10:46 (Ref:3964855)   #24
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Just received email from HSCC, seems Frank is standing for re election
Quite right too, deserves all our support.
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Old 17 Mar 2020, 13:45 (Ref:3964932)   #25
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Good news. I hope he is unopposed.
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Old 17 Mar 2020, 14:38 (Ref:3964950)   #26
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Can we do a Labour Party & all join the HSCC for three quid so that we can vote for Frank?
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Only If he promises not to sit on a very wide fence for three years and obliterate the club in the process!
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Old 17 Mar 2020, 14:59 (Ref:3964958)   #28
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I think I would credit him with more common sense than the Magic Grandpa!
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Having your race licence suspended when all racing is suspended is probably a first
Vote for Frank.
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I think I would credit him with more common sense than the Magic Grandpa!
I don't know Frank very well, but I am inclined to agree.
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