It’s The Latte Latte Delta Tea Break 2018 - Page 70

grantp · 23 Aug 2018, 20:34 (Ref:3845637)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Something from CCW this week that appears to be a well kept secret (well it was to me!), is that UK ‘black’ non reflective number plates are now legal on any tax exempt car, not just up to end of 1972 production. So up to 1978 at the moment. Seems the law changed in 2015, but very quietly.....

So does that mean you could put some on your Beemer?

MGDavid · 24 Aug 2018, 00:42 (Ref:3845673)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

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David- expand on your question, please!

When government gives something away there's almost always a big sting in the tail. The recent concessions on no MOT and zero VED for Historic vehicles together with the moving date for the classification (now up to 1978) make me and others very suspicious that there will be some sort of curtailment of use legislation round the corner.
I've heard that Germany does similar for their Oldtimer classification and would like to know the details of the restrictions and how they're implemented, eg days, mileage or whatever.

grantp · 24 Aug 2018, 03:48 (Ref:3845685)

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Originally Posted by MGDavid

When government gives something away there's almost always a big sting in the tail. The recent concessions on no MOT and zero VED for Historic vehicles together with the moving date for the classification (now up to 1978) make me and others very suspicious that there will be some sort of curtailment of use legislation round the corner.
I've heard that Germany does similar for their Oldtimer classification and would like to know the details of the restrictions and how they're implemented, eg days, mileage or whatever.

The curtailment will come when they work out that the only economic way to run electric cars is by using total autonomy and that will only be safe when there are no human driven or ridden vehicles to compete with for "road" space.

Not that they care about that but they will, by then, be desperate to improve "public safety and security" in any way they can and knowing and where they are heading where 99% of the population are nearly all of the time will be a key facet of the drive for control that fully tracked transport will enable.

IMO.

Mike Bell · 24 Aug 2018, 04:56 (Ref:3845688)

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Originally Posted by grantp

So does that mean you could put some on your Beemer?

My Bad- Historic class tax exempt vehicles...…

John Elwin · 24 Aug 2018, 07:34 (Ref:3845698)

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Originally Posted by grantp

The curtailment will come when they work out that the only economic way to run electric cars is by using total autonomy and that will only be safe when there are no human driven or ridden vehicles to compete with for "road" space.

Not that they care about that but they will, by then, be desperate to improve "public safety and security" in any way they can and knowing and where they are heading where 99% of the population are nearly all of the time will be a key facet of the drive for control that fully tracked transport will enable.

IMO.

I don't know about improving security - the jihadis must be quite excited at the prospect of driverless vehicles...

John Elwin · 24 Aug 2018, 07:36 (Ref:3845699)

Gerard, have you ever been to Autobrocante at Loheac - it always looks interesting & every yeqr I think I should go but never have. Just a bit too far for a day trip.

Gerard C · 24 Aug 2018, 08:43 (Ref:3845707)

Sure, from your actual location to Lohéac (not far from Rennes, 35) is not a comfortable if you're considering a one day trip. If the brocante is still related with Michel Hommell cars collection, small race track and magazines, I think it is worth. May be you can plane a visit to Britany or some part of Normandy?

Just checked for you, they have a partnership with Renault Classique with live demos on the track.(6 and 7 of October).http://www.manoir-automobile.fr/auto...val-de-loheac/

John Elwin · 24 Aug 2018, 09:37 (Ref:3845717)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

Sure, from your actual location to Lohéac (not far from Rennes, 35) is not a comfortable if you're considering a one day trip. If the brocante is still related with Michel Hommell cars collection, small race track and magazines, I think it is worth. May be you can plane a visit to Britany or some part of Normandy?

Just checked for you, they have a partnership with Renault Classique with live demos on the track.(6 and 7 of October).http://www.manoir-automobile.fr/auto...val-de-loheac/

Yes, I knew about the Renault Classique involvement, which makes it interesting - just a very crowded time in the calendar.

I see the GP Historique de France is set to happen again at Magny Cours next June, date TBC.

Gerard C · 24 Aug 2018, 15:18 (Ref:3845803)

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Originally Posted by John Elwin

I see the GP Historique de France is set to happen again at Magny Cours next June, date TBC.

Yes John, but I think its not the proper moment to make any comment about that because the first edition was made with a lot of help of English clubs… I tried to have more info about the supporting grids, but got no answer at the moment. May be they are waiting for Rétromobile to make some announcement.

grantp · 24 Aug 2018, 15:32 (Ref:3845812)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

My Bad- Historic class tax exempt vehicles...…

Ah. Shame.

I've seen a few non-Historic class exotics with old style plates (modernised) from time to time. Seems odd. Perhaps they were re-bodied based on older cars?

**Tim Falce** · 25 Aug 2018, 09:12 (Ref:3845940)

I saw this today and wondered if it's new news or old hat although either way I can't say I'm surprised. https://news.sky.com/story/classic-c...probe-11480930

Gerard C · 25 Aug 2018, 09:54 (Ref:3845948)

Do you think there is a relationship with that https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...sted-claiming/
Date is 19 March 2018.

Mike Harte · 25 Aug 2018, 09:59 (Ref:3845949)

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Originally Posted by Tim Falce

I saw this today and wondered if it's new news or old hat although either way I can't say I'm surprised. https://news.sky.com/story/classic-c...probe-11480930

Which may explain why the JD cars have been missing from the grids for a little while.

Mike Harte · 25 Aug 2018, 10:04 (Ref:3845951)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

Do you think there is a relationship with that https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...sted-claiming/
Date is 19 March 2018.

Yes, and possibly some more is being investigated. And, it would appear, why Derek Hood (the founder) was asked to step down from the company. The judge was very unhappy with his testimony in that trial.

**Tim Falce** · 25 Aug 2018, 10:31 (Ref:3845956)

It seems Derek Hood started out as a dentist so he's gone from one rip-off trade to another.

Mike Bell · 25 Aug 2018, 12:26 (Ref:3845978)

From what I’ve been told, all l that stuff is fact, I’m afraid. Not a happy scenario, and we miss out on seeing some lovely cars on circuit. JDC also had some sort of contract or agreement with Jaguar to prepare and run their Heritage Fleet race cars, so guess that’s gone askew as well.....

Gerard C · 25 Aug 2018, 12:44 (Ref:3845985)

My bet is that this type of company or business can survive almost anything, scandal or not. Its not only a matter of one man. Probably they will be supported by important investment company so hopefully the Jaguar Heritage fleet won't be let alone. At least I hope.
Lets see what happens to the E Type scrutineered during last TA…

Robyn Slater · 25 Aug 2018, 13:04 (Ref:3845989)

"Essex car dealer" What more can you say!!

MGDavid · 25 Aug 2018, 13:40 (Ref:3845992)

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Originally Posted by Robyn Slater

"Essex car dealer" What more can you say!!

quite!

Mike Bell · 25 Aug 2018, 15:04 (Ref:3846000)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

My bet is that this type of company or business can survive almost anything, scandal or not. Its not only a matter of one man. Probably they will be supported by important investment company so hopefully the Jaguar Heritage fleet won't be let alone…

I would guess Jag will take their cars back in house if needed. Yes, there are some big investors involved, all now wondering how much they are going to lose....

Looking well into the future, hopefully some of the cars we’ve seen racing under the JDC banner up till now will get sold, and appear on circuits again with owner drivers rather than pros....

Gerard C · 25 Aug 2018, 15:48 (Ref:3846014)

Meaning that some Cobra drivers/owners can now sleep quietly…

Mike Bell · 25 Aug 2018, 16:10 (Ref:3846016)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

Meaning that some Cobra drivers/owners can now sleep quietly…

The Jag fleet includes such cars as XKs, C Types, and D Types- not just Es!

Gerard C · 25 Aug 2018, 18:20 (Ref:3846039)

Oops, forgot that, not really a detail! All with papers of course.

GORDON STREETER · 25 Aug 2018, 23:18 (Ref:3846059)

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Originally Posted by Robyn Slater

"Essex car dealer" What more can you say!!

And with a surname of Hood, would you buy a car off of him ?

Mike Bell · 26 Aug 2018, 05:48 (Ref:3846092)

JDC were never afraid of spending money on stuff some would regard as frivolous. Their support vehicles and trucks display an amazing selection of registration numbers, some Jaguar related. Maybe the plates were / are for sale......

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