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Old 26 Nov 2021, 12:28 (Ref:4085535)   #1
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The GROAT - A bracket to determine (just for fun)

Having previously ran a GOAT and COAT bracket - the ten-tenths voters decided unanimously in controversial fashion and with no official status whatsoever, that:

The greatest F1 driver of all time is Ayrton Senna, beating Lewis Hamilton in the final.
The greatest F1 car of all time is the McLaren MP4/4, beating the Williams FW14 in the final.

So what is the Greatest Race of All Time (GROAT). Ideally, this will be a 64+ strong bracket - so I need nominations.
For now, which race do you think warrants discussion as being a GROAT. I have a few lined up, but please feel free to drop nominations in this thread and I'll get the bracket up and running.



*** I don't think Spa 2021 will make the bracket ***
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Inevitably I choose Donington 1993.
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Excellent idea! I will give some nominations when I have time later.
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Great idea and thank you for organizing. Can I please suggest Spa 1998, Suzuka 2005 and Montreal 2011 for consideration.
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Great idea and thank you for organizing. Can I please suggest Spa 1998, Suzuka 2005 and Montreal 2011 for consideration.
All in - along with Don '93
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Can we add
Adelaide 1986.
Mexico 1964.
Nurburgring 1957.
Monza 1971.

And some others for inspiration:
https://dive-bomb.com/2021/04/04/10-...f1-races-ever/
https://www.redeyeevents.co.uk/news/...es-in-history/

If I remember correctly Motorsport or Autosport had a mammoth top 100 when we reached 1000 GP. Can’t find a link though.

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Okay, here is a list I have come up with.
Hungary 2021
Britain 2021
Sakhir 2020
Turkey 2020
Italy 2020
Britain 2020
Germany 2019
Britain 2019
Austria 2019
Baku 2017
Abu Dhabi 2016
Hungary 2014
Canada 2014
Bahrain 2014
Brazil 2012
Spain 2012
Malaysia 2012
Canada 2011 (my pick for the GROAT)
Abu Dhabi 2010
Brazil 2009
Belgium 2009
Brazil 2008
Britain 2008
Brazil 2006
Japan 2005
Monaco 2004
Brazil 2003
Europe 1999
Belgium 1998
Hungary 1997
Monaco 1996
Spain 1996
Canada 1995
Donington 1993
Monaco 1992
Japan 1989
Australia 1986
Jarama 1981
Fuji 1976
Italy 1971
Germany 1957

I have forgotten loads from older seasons which I will add later if they spring to mind. Generally, we will all be biased towards races we saw live because we didn't know the outcome while watching it, so that's why Canada 2011 rates as my best race and there are a lot more from recent seasons. I would also suggest perhaps including controversial but memorable races, such as Indy 2005, Germany 2010, Jerez 1997 because really the aim of this is just to make sure any possibilities are covered. I would suggest the following as controversial races that could be included, even if the majority would most definitely not see them as among the greatest:

Spa 2021 (yes, really)
Germany 2010
Singapore 2008
Indianapolis 2005
Jerez 1997
Adelaide 1994
Japan 1990
Japan 1989
Monaco 1984
Sweden 1978

I hope this helps.
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Can we add
Adelaide 1986.
Mexico 1964.
Nurburgring 1957.
Monza 1971.

And some others for inspiration:
https://dive-bomb.com/2021/04/04/10-...f1-races-ever/
https://www.redeyeevents.co.uk/news/...es-in-history/

If I remember correctly Motorsport or Autosport had a mammoth top 100 when we reached 1000 GP. Can’t find a link though.
'F1: the first 1000' (a book I thoroughly recommend) rated 100 GPs as gold from the first 1000 races as well, although not in order.
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Good idea.


I will throw the following into the mix.

In no particular order:


Holland 1975
Spain 1981
Monaco 1981
USA 1990
France 1979
Austria 1982
Belgium 1991
France 1989
Long Beach 1983
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Can I add in Italy 1967?
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If you need any more nominations maybe Spa 2000 and Britain 1987 for the famous overtakes.
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Mexico 1964.
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Monza 1971.
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Okay, here is a list I have come up with.
Hungary 2021
Britain 2021
Sakhir 2020
Turkey 2020
Italy 2020
Britain 2020
Germany 2019
Britain 2019
Austria 2019
Baku 2017
Abu Dhabi 2016
Hungary 2014
Canada 2014
Bahrain 2014
Brazil 2012
Spain 2012
Malaysia 2012
Canada 2011 (my pick for the GROAT)
Abu Dhabi 2010
Brazil 2009
Belgium 2009
Brazil 2008
Britain 2008
Brazil 2006
Japan 2005
Monaco 2004
Brazil 2003
Europe 1999
Belgium 1998
Hungary 1997
Monaco 1996
Spain 1996
Canada 1995
Donington 1993
Monaco 1992
Japan 1989
Australia 1986
Jarama 1981
Fuji 1976
Italy 1971
Germany 1957

Spa 2021 (yes, really)
Germany 2010
Singapore 2008
Indianapolis 2005
Jerez 1997
Adelaide 1994
Japan 1990
Japan 1989
Monaco 1984
Sweden 1978
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Holland 1975
Spain 1981
Monaco 1981
USA 1990
France 1979
Austria 1982
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Long Beach 1983
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If you need any more nominations maybe Spa 2000 and Britain 1987 for the famous overtakes.
All in the list.
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No problem - we'll see how the voting goes.

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Thanks for doing this crm, I wonder if there are any more 'OATs' still capable of being
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late addition but one race i dont see on there that jumped out to me.

France 2004 - Schumi/Ferrari 4 stop race to beat the faster Alonso. actually been a few really good Schumi at Magny Cours races.

brazil 2016 - Max's first win

feel like there might be a list for best maiden wins or best win in front of one's home crowd.

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maybe also a short list, but best team principle, best engineer, or best team personnel overall? maybe one tourney for them all?
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feel like there might be a list for best maiden wins or best win in front of one's home crowd.

maybe also a short list, but best team principle, best engineer, or best team personnel overall? maybe one tourney for them all?
I think there are certain categories that could be voted on - like best 1st win etc.

In terms of team members - as you say, maybe a Greatest F1 contribution out of the car of all time - GF(cootc)OAT or GFOAT?
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Running a bit later than planned, the list of races being considered for GROAT is now compiled as:

1957 Nürburgring
1964 Hermanos Rodriguez
1967 Monza
1971 Monza
1975 Zandvoort
1976 Fuji
1978 Scandinavian Raceway
1979 Dijon
1981 Jarama
1981 Monaco
1982 Monaco
1982 Österreichring
1983 Long Beach
1984 Monaco
1986 Adelaide
1987 Silverstone
1988 Monaco
1988 Suzuka
1989 Paul Ricard
1989 Suzuka
1990 Hermanos Rodriguez
1990 Phoenix street circuit
1990 Suzuka
1991 Spa-Francorchamps
1992 Monaco
1993 Donington
1994 Adelaide
1995 Circuit Gilles Villeneuve
1996 Catalunya
1996 Monaco
1997 Hungaroring
1997 Jerez
1998 Spa-Francorchamps
1999 Nürburgring
2000 Spa-Francorchamps
2000 Suzuka
2003 Interlagos
2004 Monaco
2005 Indianapolis
2005 Suzuka
2006 Interlagos
2008 Interlagos
2008 Marina Bay
2008 Silverstone
2009 Interlagos
2009 Spa-Francorchamps
2010 Hockenheimring
2010 Melbourne
2010 Montreal
2010 Spa-Francorchamps
2010 Yas Marina
2011 Montreal
2011 Nürburgring
2011 Shanghai
2012 Catalunya
2012 Circuit of the Americas
2012 Interlagos
2012 Sepang
2012 Shanghai
2012 Valencia
2012 Yas Marina
2014 Hungaroring
2014 Montreal
2014 Sakhir
2015 Circuit of the Americas
2015 Hungaroring
2015 Sepang
2016 Catalunya
2016 Yas Marina
2017 Baku
2018 Baku
2018 Circuit of the Americas
2018 Hockenheimring
2018 Shanghai
2018 Silverstone
2019 Hockenheimring
2019 Interlagos
2019 Monaco
2019 Red Bull Ring
2019 Sakhir
2019 Silverstone
2020 Istanbul Park
2020 Monza
2020 Sakhir
2020 Silverstone
2021 Hungaroring
2021 Silverstone
2021 Spa-Francorchamps
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Nice list. I can't believe I forgot Monaco 1982 and France 1979!
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Nice list. I can't believe I forgot Monaco 1982 and France 1979!
It looks like (due to other commitments) that the first match will be up next week.
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I fear a bit of Boaty McBoat face with a couple of those.
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An interesting observation (IMO) - of the current circuits in use, the following did not make the potential GROAT list:

Imola
Portimão
Sochi
Lusail
Jeddah

Two of those are obviously new additions - so does that mean Imola, Portimão and Sochi should be dropped from the calendar?
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Wouldn’t win overall but there have been some good races at Imola and better than some on that list

One of the first big battles between Prost and Senna was at Imola 1985. The Alonso Schumacher one in 2005 (ruined by ads and also probably seemed better than most in that period of F1).
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