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Old 17 Sep 2010, 06:30 (Ref:2760718)   #501
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Does anyone know anything of this BT23/6 frame RF10/01 for sale in the US at the moment?
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Old 17 Sep 2010, 08:17 (Ref:2760770)   #502
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Old 31 Dec 2010, 21:38 (Ref:2809808)   #503
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BT-23

Andrew,
Wow! All of this bringing back lots of memories.
I am wondering if anyone has a list of which BT-23 was acquired by Fred Opert here in thew States?
Reason being that I had originally purchased a Lotus 31 from a gentleman in the San Francisco and subsequently made a deal with Fred Opert to take it in part trade for a new BT-23. I'd love to know the chassis number if any paperwork still exists of Operts sales.
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Old 9 Jan 2011, 13:41 (Ref:2813245)   #504
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Hello everyone,

I am the owner of the car object of the post #459.

I got the car from Bernardo Antonio, former pilot and owner of Scuderia Piccionaia, Lugano, who presently resides in Bellinzona, Switzerland.

He acquired the car in 1967 at Albi, just after the Gran Prix, from A. B. Rees and R. Legged, with the intermediation of Jochen Rindt.
I do have the documentation, included the original calling cards of the three above.

This car was maintained in Italy by Tino Brambilla.

For a while it was used by Enzo Corti when he damaged his own BT23-2, which had 23-4 scratched on the chassis. This was in 1968.

For avoiding paying tax and duties in Italy, Corti glued the indication BT23-4 on the dashboard of the Antonio's car.

What is sure is sure is that the chassis is an original RF5. It was stored for over 30 years by Antonio Bernardo. This means that nobody could have forged a different number on it.
Also at that time no one could have any interest in playing with chassis numbers, as at that time the car was of no historic value.
Also for custom purpouses what mattered was the BT23-xxx number and not the chassis #.

I do have a comprehensive photographic documentation regarding this car from the moment it was taken out of the storage warehouse up to now.

RF5, according to records should belong to BT23-1.

On the other hand internet records regarding the Albi Gran Prix indicates that the car used by Rindt was the BT23-5.
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Old 9 Jan 2011, 14:30 (Ref:2813259)   #505
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Old 9 Jan 2011, 21:17 (Ref:2813416)   #506
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Old 16 Feb 2011, 09:21 (Ref:2832010)   #507
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Hi Chris,
Hope this is ok putting this photo etc on this thread. Am still archiving.
Checked out your website. Could you confirm this please? I think this is Joe Applegarth round about 1975 Brabham BT23C (chassis no 5 and 16).Photo was at Longridge as Joe was always racing there.
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Old 13 Jun 2011, 01:30 (Ref:2897699)   #508
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BT23/EMC

I really appreciate the exhaustive research done by Andrew Fellowes and the insights by Allen Brown about my car. I am now calling it an EMC, and my plan is to restore it as it was in 1971 with a 1600 restricted engine, and race it in F3, as the Jody Scheckter car. I am hoping that as such,it will be accepted at Monaco in 2012. So I guess as long as no definitive information pops up disclaiming that, my assumption is that it is the EMC car. I now know that it was medium blue, but I do not have any color photo of it in the day.
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Old 11 Jun 2012, 17:57 (Ref:3089136)   #509
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Is this the right place to ask about BT23C-11? Steve Mills has been in touch with me asking what became of her. He was with Cullen when the car was doing F2 events in 1970. For some reason, he can still remember the chassis number.

Anyone know?

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Back in the mid 70s ('74 or '75) I raced this car at Kirkistown (home of the 500 club) a couple of times. At that time it had a full race Kent engine (built by Holbay). That is to say, a full race 1.6 litre, but still the pushrod engine with about 170bhp (twin (45 DCOE?) Webers, dry sump, forged rods, pistons and crank, etc). The twin cam version, as used in Formula Atlantic at that time put out about 220 bhp, if I remember correctly. The car was actually owned by a car dealer called Noel Crymble. On my second outing (it was allowed to race in Clubmans "A", despite being rear engined) the engine self destructed and it wasn't completely rebuilt when the car went back to the owner. I think I still have a couple of pictures from then. It had a rear wing at the time.

I didn't score any points, so you can see how good I wasn't.

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Old 26 May 2015, 04:12 (Ref:3541267)   #510
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I will have to have a few goes at this.

BT23's 1st.

BT23-1 , M.R.D. RF5 , FVA 7021, Jack Brabham 1967.
1968 , Irish Racing Cars , Tommy Reid with a Ford Twin -cam.
1969, as above Tommy Reid.
1970, as above , but now with FVA.

BT23-2,RF6, FVA 7012, M.R.D. Hulme , then apparently to Walter Habegger , but then borrowed/rented back by Hulme to finish the Tasman with after his big accident in BT23-5 in early 1968, thence back to Europe to Scuderia Piicchio Rosso [ Enzo Corti ] carries chassis number 23-4 scratched on chassis .
1969 Enzo Corti .
1970 Vittorio Brambilla.

BT23-3, M.R.D. RF8 FVA 7003 , Gardner 1967.
1968 , Xavier Perrot.
1969, Perrot written off in non F2 race.

BT23-4, Winkleman/Rees FVA 7008 .
1968 Walter Habegger Racing.
1969, Bruno Frey.

BT23-5, Winkleman / Rindt, 1967
1968 , Hulme in Tasman untill serious accident, then rented / borrowed BT23-2,
Damaged BT23-5 sold to Feo Stanton in N.Z. and sent to Bob Brittan / Rennmax in Australia for rebuild, typically Bob made a jig [ subsequently used for Mildren / Rennmax BN3 / etc. cars and sent a new car known as the Rorstan Porsche bach to N.Z. containing all the usable BT23-5 bits , this car used by Brian Fallon until his Fatal accident .
Meanwhile back in OZ , Bob Rebuilt the original frame as a project for Warren Leach as a Formula Ford , using Rennmax uprights etc, the car was repossed by Bob Brittan for , I believe non payment , and the car then sold to Graham Hepburn of Talbingo N.S.W. it then ended up with Denis Lupton of Melbourne circa 1981.
Meanwhile back in N.Z. the Falloon car with its apparently rare 4 cam eng still remaining somehow found its way to Melbourne Porsche Distributor Alan Hamilton who had acquired the car for the eng.and gearbox for a restoration .
The remains , i.e. rolling chassis then went to Les Sargent , then to Denis Lupton , who now had both collections of bits , a chinese deal evolved [ these dealings famous in OZ ] and George Goodare of Sydney swapped a BT15 to Lupton for the collection of BT23-5 in December 1983, where upon a major rebuild commenced and the car is still in the hands of George Goodare, after having compainged the car for many years complete with correct FVA / FT200 etc, and having recast new uprights etc. The car has not been used for some time now.

BT23-6 , Robbin Widdows .1967 , end 67 sold to Mitsubishi Motors .
I see a car advising this chassis number for sale in the U.S.A now.


Bryan.
Does anyone know if BT23-5 is still owned by George Goodare, or has it been sold to Eueope?

Saw the attached http://www.salzburg.com/nachrichten/...elpiste-74531/

Unfortunately can't read German.

Is this the real thing or a replica?
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Old 26 May 2015, 05:15 (Ref:3541276)   #511
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George Goodare sold car a few years ago to Austria I believe , so probably the car at the museum.
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Old 26 May 2015, 07:10 (Ref:3541296)   #512
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Does anyone know if BT23-5 is still owned by George Goodare, or has it been sold to Eueope?

Saw the attached http://www.salzburg.com/nachrichten/...elpiste-74531/

Unfortunately can't read German.

Is this the real thing or a replica?
It moved some years ago:
http://www.oldracingcars.com/brabham/bt23/
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Old 26 May 2015, 09:27 (Ref:3541320)   #513
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I don't know whether Muller still owns it, but here it is at Essen last month:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ton306/17264073071/

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Old 12 Jun 2015, 19:23 (Ref:3548135)   #514
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I don't know whether Muller still owns it, but here it is at Essen last month:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ton306/17264073071/
Hi: In photos in the period of the 1000cc F3 era, there are photos of cars w/ front wings that exceed the 95cm body width allowed by the rules.

How is this possible?
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Old 30 Jun 2015, 07:27 (Ref:3554845)   #515
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I don't know whether Muller still owns it, but here it is at Essen last month:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ton306/17264073071/
See the attached for BT 23 -5 being auctioned last Friday, 26 June.

http://www.classicandperformancecar....f2-car-offered

They seem to be capitalising very much on it being used by Jochen Rindt originally.
Very step sale estimates of 360K - 500K Euros.

It only made 235K Euro, about 330K AUD. Still pretty good.

I like the description that it is not in top condition. Looks pretty good to me.

Google Auctionata for sale details.
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Old 13 Aug 2017, 13:38 (Ref:3759159)   #516
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Re: Post #337

Photobucket has seen fit to stop free photo-sharing and my photo has, therefore, been removed.

Here it is again: https://goo.gl/photos/ceHZhvgsNS4TyiFU7

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Photo as promised.

R.P. 'Dixi' Dean (wearing Jack's helmet) ... He was Jack's sponsor although my mother didn't know for quite some time.



I spoke to my mother this morning and she was pleased to know that Jack's name hasn't been forgotten. She was very fond of him although he had a very short fuse on race days. My father and Helen (Jack's wife) would retreat to the bar leaving my mother with polishing cloth to bear the brunt of some rather ripe language. She could never understand why he loved his racing so much when it played such havoc with his nerves. She added that she couldn't recall being at a race that he didn't win. He was a Chartered Surveyor by profession; perhaps he found that a little tame.

This thread has brought back some good as well as sad memories and I'm glad I found it.

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The 1969 Championship winning car had an outing yesterday at Wakefield Park (Goulburn NSW)

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fX2CZcMS8A

https://www.nma.gov.au/whats-on/chequered-past
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Old 3 Apr 2022, 22:28 (Ref:4105267)   #518
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Hi Allen:

in Canada we have a class called Formula Libra-anything with 4 wheels that doesn't if in any class runs in F.L.

i have the chassis plate in my hand,
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BT23F-1
the frame is stamped RF 44

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Hi Dave

I now own this car. Are you aware of the origins of the RF44 stamping on the chassis ?
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Post 2 of this thread sheds some light on the 'RF' part ... https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...30&postcount=2
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