2015 Liqui Moly Bathurst 12 Hour: 6-8 February

[one five five]

I really fail to see how this story on Speedcafe was anything more than a V8Supercar attempt to create some destaibilisation in the week following the event having a major positive announcement (the Ch7 deal)

What V8SC did do with those non-commital comments from Mr Warburton was to basically ensure that alot the leading teams wanting to race in the event can now not confirm their driver line-up (to sponsors for example) until V8Supercars decides to release their calendar for next year, and that announcement hasn't always been early in the last few years.

Originally Posted by eduardo1

There's no doubt that an Australian event benefits from having the very best Australian teams and drivers in the event.

And the very best Australian drivers are in the V8 Supercars championship.

It's a win-win having them in the 12 Hour.

The event gets more publicity
The quality of the overseas drivers is easier to judge when put against known benchmarks
The Oz drivers get more time around the best track in Australia
They also get more seat time full stop - which given the lack of testing and time on the weekends is becoming a louder and louder complaint from them.

It's something that should be encouraged and applauded when it happens. If V8SC gets in the way of that, they should be rightly criticised for it.

Agreed completely

The involvement of the V8 drivers is what attracts more of the 'general' interest and gets the fence sitters to decide to come watch the race, they see names they are familiar with.

As great a drivers as the likes of Maxi Buhk or Matt Griffin are, they weren't the drivers who got the likes of Channel 9's Erin Molan to spend all weekend reporting on the 2014 Bathurst 12hr, it was drivers like Lowndes, SVG and Will Davison. They are the one's that give the event the extra 'push' that the organsiers wanted with the 2011 rule changes.

[jd yort]

Channel 7 just needs to ensure Webber is racing and they can milk that promotional cow for all he's worth to capture the interest of the casual motorsport observer. Remember there in no COTF or new Manufacturers to promote in 2015 unlike previous years nor uncertainty of a scheduled race at SMP. The test day will have no measurable effect on attendance. I will miss the Giz and that is it.

(Reminder to everyone to not feed the trolls).

[FAS33]

didn't know it was V8SC's obligation to look after ''other'' series, why should the V8 circus care about any other motor racing series in Aus?

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by FAS33

didn't know it was V8SC's obligation to look after ''other'' series, why should the V8 circus care about any other motor racing series in Aus?

There's a difference between 'not looking after' and 'actively trying to sabotage'. Which if they push ahead with this date clash they could reasonably be accused of doing.

It's not like anyone is asking them to do much - just don't change the traditional date of their test day to clash with the traditional date of another major, and popular event that some their drivers want to compete at, some of their sponsors have an involvement in and some of their fans would like to attend.

[bluesport]

The B12hr is so superior to any event that the supercars can produce, that's why Ch 7 dumped the V8s for the GTs in February.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by bluesport

The B12hr is so superior to any event that the supercars can produce, that's why Ch 7 dumped the V8s for the GTs in February.

yes a reminder to people to not feed the trolls

[ForumNick]

Originally Posted by bluesport

... that's why Ch 7 dumped the V8s for the GTs in February...

IIRC: Ch7 made bid(s) to continue their broadcasting arrangement with V8SC & subsequently expressed their 'disappointment' that they had not been successful ?

How does that morph into 'Ch 7 dumped the V8s'

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by ForumNick

IIRC: Ch7 made bid(s) to continue their broadcasting arrangement with V8SC & subsequently expressed their 'disappointment' that they had not been successful ?

How does that morph into 'Ch 7 dumped the V8s'

Bargain basement bids by Ch 7, they still had to feign disappointment, it's the "politically correct" thing to do.

Ch 10 is a basket case to the point where media analysts this week were suggesting there is only room for two free to air broadcasters.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by eduardo1

C7 are putting a huge investment into this. The 12 Hour is every bit as expensive to cover as Bathurst 1000, so they're going to give it a massive shove to ensure they get their return and they have the platform to do.

Setting aside the fact that as part of their deal with V8 Supercars, C7 don't directly pay the production costs to produce the broadcasts, the cost for AVE to produce the Bathurst 12 Hour would be much less than the costs incurred by C7/V8 Supercars.

The number of personnel AVE have would be substantial less to begin with.

They probably have half the number of cameras, no helicopter and no studio set.

Of course this all could change for next year.

But on the previous occasions AVE has produced motorsport telecasts for C7 the production values were on a par with the work they do for SBS.

But regardless, I am really looking forward to next years race and glad it will get greater exposure.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by FAS33

didn't know it was V8SC's obligation to look after ''other'' series, why should the V8 circus care about any other motor racing series in Aus?

Its not about looking out for other series, it's about looking out for Australian motorsport as a whole. V8Supercars can't exist on it's own, it needs a healthy Australian motorsport industry behind it. Clashing events does not help the industry as a whole.

Australian motorsport needs to work together, not tear eachother down.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

Its not about looking out for other series, it's about looking out for Australian motorsport as a whole. V8Supercars can't exist on it's own, it needs a healthy Australian motorsport industry behind it. Clashing events does not help the industry as a whole.

Australian motorsport needs to work together, not tear eachother down.

maybe then the 12 hour press release about ch 7 should have been more subtle and less attacking on other forms of motorsport

“Unlike the coverage of many other forms of motorsport, which is shifting further and further towards some level of pay-per-view, the quality of the racing combined with the enthralling diversity of machinery has enabled the Liqui-Moly Bathurst 12-hour to buck the trend and create a product of sufficient mass appeal to entice a national free-to-air network.

you paint a target on yourself and you get shot

[rich07]

Originally Posted by peckstar

yes a reminder to people to not feed the trolls

Thou shouldn't throw stones whilst living in a glass house pecky

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

maybe then the 12 hour press release about ch 7 should have been more subtle and less attacking on other forms of motorsport. you paint a target on yourself and you get shot

Exactly right, how can they expect any less?

And for all you attacking v8s for "sabotaging" the 12hr, you go try to run a calendar and start working out all the conflicts inherent, most of them are a lot more immovable than another car race.

At the end of the day, Foxtel is paying the big bucks and they want to broadcast the test day, and the Cricket World Cup will pull eyeballs off that.

Probably not a lot of chance the test day will move.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Mixer

At the end of the day, Foxtel is paying the big bucks and they want to broadcast the test day, and the Cricket World Cup will pull eyeballs off that.

By the sound of it, it is not Foxtel who concerned about the cricket clash rather from inside the walls of V8SA

Originally Posted by Mixer

Probably not a lot of chance the test day will move.

It hasnt been set yet.

[yap]

Originally Posted by Mixer

At the end of the day, Foxtel is paying the big bucks and they want to broadcast the test day, and the Cricket World Cup will pull eyeballs off that.

Foxtel isn't about ratings, it is about paying subscribers... the only reason they bought the V8's is to increase their subscriber base

They really won't give 2 hoots what day the test day is on, as long as they see an increase in foxtel boxes being installed

And as for the snoozefest that the Cricket World Cup will be, 50 over one day cricket is dead

[velly4]

Originally Posted by peckstar

maybe then the 12 hour press release about ch 7 should have been more subtle and less attacking on other forms of motorsport



you paint a target on yourself and you get shot

There's a massive difference between a few words in a press release and putting an event on the same date as the biggest race of the year outside of the V8s.

The 12hr organisers moved the race to it's current time slot to get away from the V8s and to suit overseas competitors.

For someone who clearly dislikes the 12hr so much I don't understand why you bother spending so much time reading, researching and commenting on it.....

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by velly4

There's a massive difference between a few words in a press release and putting an event on the same date as the biggest race of the year outside of the V8s.

The 12hr organisers moved the race to it's current time slot to get away from the V8s and to suit overseas competitors.

For someone who clearly dislikes the 12hr so much I don't understand why you bother spending so much time reading, researching and commenting on it.....

i like the 12 hour, just dont think the sun shines out its butt like some others. I went this year, and possibly may go next year, depending on a few things, although the ch 7 announcement counts as a reason not to go (for me)

the v8 potential move is only a few words in speedcafe article, Nothing on the v8 site, so who is being the more aggressive.

If the 12 hour doesn't want a war, then it and its fanbois would be wise not to provoke the v8 series

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by one five five

Its not about looking out for other series, it's about looking out for Australian motorsport as a whole. V8Supercars can't exist on it's own, it needs a healthy Australian motorsport industry behind it. Clashing events does not help the industry as a whole.

Australian motorsport needs to work together, not tear eachother down.

they've done so well for the last few decades I don't see any problem with it, if it clashes date with it ''tough luck''.


Bathurst 1000 is 1000 times better then the Bathurst 12 hour, not even on the same planet.

[velly4]

Those last 2 posts sum up perfectly why I much prefer the 12hr. The arrogance/ignorance is not only restricted to the management of V8 Supercars but heavily rife with in its fans too.

Enjoy your processional taxi race in October boys and leave us GT fans to enjoy our race in happiness.


On a side note I hope the Reiter boys have done as good a job on the exhaust for the 7.9L Camaro as they did on the Lambo. Looks like one or two will be in the race now.

[FAS33]

apparently to some people on here you can't like the V8 Supercars and GT racing at the same time...no wonder people like jumping to conclusions.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by velly4

Those last 2 posts sum up perfectly why I much prefer the 12hr. The arrogance/ignorance is not only restricted to the management of V8 Supercars but heavily rife with in its fans too. Enjoy your processional taxi race in October boys and leave us GT fans to enjoy our race in happiness

And yet in your post you do EXACTLY the same thing.

I love both; they're different.

If we can't see the V8 drivers in the B12 I will bleed, but its business. I understand that.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by velly4

Those last 2 posts sum up perfectly why I much prefer the 12hr. The arrogance/ignorance is not only restricted to the management of V8 Supercars but heavily rife with in its fans too.

Enjoy your processional taxi race in October boys and leave us GT fans to enjoy our race in happiness.


On a side note I hope the Reiter boys have done as good a job on the exhaust for the 7.9L Camaro as they did on the Lambo. Looks like one or two will be in the race now.

an arrogant and igonarant comment in the one sentence, well done

Good news about the camaro though

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by FAS33

they've done so well for the last few decades I don't see any problem with it, if it clashes date with it ''tough luck''.


Bathurst 1000 is 1000 times better then the Bathurst 12 hour, not even on the same planet.

You are kidding yourself mate, the 12hr is better than the whole supercar season put together.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by bluesport

You are kidding yourself mate, the 12hr is better than the whole supercar season put together.

In roughly the words of velly this post sums up perfectly why I much prefer the v8s. The arrogance/ignorance is not only restricted to the management of 12 hour but heavily rife with in its fans too.

[eduardo1]

So to summarise the last couple of pages:
"B12H is better than V8s"
"Is not"
"Is too"
"Is not"
"You're arrogant"
"No you're arrogant"
"No you are."

Did I miss anything?