[BTCC] BTCC 2018 - Rounds 10, 11, 12 - Oulton Park

[porsche962fan]

how Ash tries to put a positive face , BTW are those sun glasses standard issue in that team ?



JP doesn't even bother


he doesn't try that much either




the source of the issue

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[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by RS67

Most cars were a lot smaller in the 60's. A mk3 Focus makes a mk1 Escort or Cortina look tiny and that is without the wider arches.
Bushell did nothing wrong, he got a better start than the other 2 and went for the gap. Perhaps if the other two had used their mirrors they would have seen him and realised there was no longer a gap to close. Not any different to Matt Neal's accident at Silverstone in the Mazda Xedos 6.

Firstly, my car and many others that I raced with and against would have been just as wide if not wider than BTCC cars. Many of us had to run fabricated arches to cover our wheels, and in my case, I also had to use spacers on the hubs so that I could fit the wheels. I ran 10 or 12 inch wide on the front, and 15 inch wheels at the rear.



And we still managed to start races 3 abreast at Oulton, not a staggered one by one as now.


Secondly, the track "belongs" for that second to the cars in front. It is the responsibility of that or those drivers to not collide with the cars beside them, but it is not their responsibility to be watching in their mirrors for what some fool may be doing behind them. As you say, the two cars were coming towards each other to obtain the better line through Old Hall, and it was up to Bushell to have thought that through.


It's not a game of 'After you', 'No, after you, Sir'.

[Sodemo]

I noticed some very aggressive downshifts from Collard during the races. I presume on the throttle is Rev limited to about 7000 rpm but downshifts are not regulated? (Rev limited)

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by swooshiain

I'm thinking he's going to walk after Croft.

Mr Plato will I understand be honouring the contracts he has signed. I hope that he finds himself in a better place once this year at BMR has run its course.

Very impressed with young Mr Simpsons drive; finally has reached his potential - Eurotech clearly fits well for him. Gutted for him the engine died, but I really don't think he gave a hoot after the win!

I missed most of the racing this weekend: only saw the first round and the F4 on the telly. itv catchup beckons!

I did see a clip of Moffat driving past Plato like Plato was stood still... was he having an issue or was that a fair reflection of his cars pace?

[steve_r]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

how Ash tries to put a positive face , BTW are those sun glasses standard issue in that team ?

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Not sure what the point of your post is. Perhaps they are sponsored by a sunglasses company? Hardly warrants stills of each driver.

[RS67]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Secondly, the track "belongs" for that second to the cars in front. It is the responsibility of that or those drivers to not collide with the cars beside them, but it is not their responsibility to be watching in their mirrors for what some fool may be doing behind them. As you say, the two cars were coming towards each other to obtain the better line through Old Hall, and it was up to Bushell to have thought that through.


It's not a game of 'After you', 'No, after you, Sir'.

Bushnell wasn't behind them though, he was between them. He got the better start and was between them before both cars started closing the gap, backing off will make no difference they would still have hit him and if he braked then cars would likely have piled into the back of him. He had every right to hold his line and hope they had been aware of him. It's not like he was making an over ambitious overtake going into a bend, he was holding his own ground in a straight line.

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by RS67

Bushnell wasn't behind them though, he was between them. He got the better start and was between them before both cars started closing the gap, backing off will make no difference they would still have hit him and if he braked then cars would likely have piled into the back of him. He had every right to hold his line and hope they had been aware of him. It's not like he was making an over ambitious overtake going into a bend, he was holding his own ground in a straight line.

correct

its just a 'racing incident'

[steve_r]

Wont be the last startline accident that we will ever see. I do not think a freeze frame forensic analysis is needed. One car going left, one right and one fast starting car behind aiming for the gap that rapidly disappeared.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Absolutely nothing wrong with the circuit. It's just millennials overreacting again......

The only thing worse than moaning millennials is baby boomers who constantly moan about moaning millennials.

Good job no other generation every suggested any silly changes be made to circuits! That'd have been awful...!

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Anyway, back in the land of normal - BTCC drivers crashed on the start line at Oulton Park and people say they managed it back in the day. Not sure how selective peoples memories are, but there have been plenty of accidents in BTCC before turn 1 at Oulton over the decades. This was just another one of those. It isn't worse than it used to be, and it isn't better than it used to be. It's exactly how it's always been at Oulton Park. The real question is if the cars have outgrown the circuit, and I don't think they have.

[Robin Marriott]

Does anyone know why they don’t use the full circuit at Oulton? Or Donington for that matter?

[antnee]

Originally Posted by Robin Marriott

Does anyone know why they don’t use the full circuit at Oulton? Or Donington for that matter?

Oulton full circuit was used a few years back, they switched to current layout as the extra bits didn't help with 'the show'.

Donington GP doesn't seem to flow as well as the short circuit, although I would personally like to see them back on the GP loop

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

how Ash tries to put a positive face , BTW are those sun glasses standard issue in that team ?

http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Jo...ive_Sunglasses

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Robin Marriott

Does anyone know why they don’t use the full circuit at Oulton? Or Donington for that matter?

I believe they used the full circuit in 2014 but it proved unpopular, mostly as it removed the main overtaking point on the circuit (Island Bend)

[Sodemo]

I personally would like to see them try the Fosters layout.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

BTW are those sun glasses standard issue in that team ?

Is it possible that on a sunny day, drivers of racing cars might wish to protect their eyes from damage?!

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Evantra

I believe they used the full circuit in 2014 but it proved unpopular, mostly as it removed the main overtaking point on the circuit (Island Bend)

Can't renember if it was 2014 - but sounds about right! - but they did indeed run the longer layout. There was a race of super Tourers that day - or rather was meant to have been, but lots of rain and indecision over starting caused it to be canned as BTCC third race had to be run before the noise curfew.

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I personally would like to see them try the Fosters layout.

they tried that in 1999. it wasn't good and soon dropped.

[Robin Marriott]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Can't renember if it was 2014 - but sounds about right! - but they did indeed run the longer layout. There was a race of super Tourers that day - or rather was meant to have been, but lots of rain and indecision over starting caused it to be canned as BTCC third race had to be run before the noise curfew.

I was there, got soaked through and was absolutely gutted they didn’t run them at the end.

Not sure they used the full circuit though, I’m fairly certain it was the island layout.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Robin Marriott

I was there, got soaked through and was absolutely gutted they didn’t run them at the end.

Not sure they used the full circuit though, I’m fairly certain it was the island layout.

Just checked, was 2014:

https://www.autosport.com/btcc/news/...-oulton-layout

[Moneyseeker]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

The only thing worse than moaning millennials is baby boomers who constantly moan about moaning millennials.

Good job no other generation every suggested any silly changes be made to circuits! That'd have been awful...!

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Anyway, back in the land of normal - BTCC drivers crashed on the start line at Oulton Park and people say they managed it back in the day. Not sure how selective peoples memories are, but there have been plenty of accidents in BTCC before turn 1 at Oulton over the decades. This was just another one of those. It isn't worse than it used to be, and it isn't better than it used to be. It's exactly how it's always been at Oulton Park. The real question is if the cars have outgrown the circuit, and I don't think they have.

They did manage to avoid the first crashes at Oulton Park, which used to be quite common, I remember Cleland had quite big one there in 99 in the ST days, they had a few wide runners and dust kickers there on Sunday, but were well behaved there generally.

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Not sure what the point of your post is. Perhaps they are sponsored by a sunglasses company? Hardly warrants stills of each driver.

my point is they look the same model of glasses , not that both have sun glasses

[psq43]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I did see a clip of Moffat driving past Plato like Plato was stood still... was he having an issue or was that a fair reflection of his cars pace?

Bit of throttle blending to help get the point across helped it look that bad.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

my point is they look the same model of glasses , not that both have sun glasses

Except for the fact that one of them is wearing wayfarers, the other is wearing aviators?

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by psq43

Bit of throttle blending to help get the point across helped it look that bad.

Now that wouldn't surprise me. JP likes to press the point!

[Racer65]

Originally Posted by psq43

Bit of throttle blending to help get the point across helped it look that bad.

Wouldn't help seeing the amount of data that TOCA have access to.