2008 sporting regulations

Marbot · 22 Mar 2006, 16:48 (Ref:1557566)

Here are the 2008 sporting regs.http://www.fia.com/resources/documen..._Regs_2008.pdf

Marbot · 22 Mar 2006, 17:15 (Ref:1557587)

Now that they have been finalised,will there be a mad rush to sign up to the new concorde agreement.If they don't,one or two teams could find themselves in a precarious position.

Marbot · 22 Mar 2006, 17:30 (Ref:1557599)

Rule 86 and 87 may be of particular interest.

Dutton · 22 Mar 2006, 17:51 (Ref:1557618)

Well, the longlife gearbox part I think we all knew was coming.

The ballast penalties suck though.

Not fun.

Marbot · 22 Mar 2006, 17:57 (Ref:1557620)

Yeah,if your engine and gearbox both go bang,that's 30 kgs isn't it........ouch!

Dutton · 22 Mar 2006, 18:04 (Ref:1557625)

I don't like grid penalites, but I like ballast even less.

I would prefer something of the ilk x-failure cost x-WCC points. This should only apply to any points scored in that particular event. Exactly how the points penalty would operate is an area for debate, but the general principle is what I am getting at.

I seem to recall being in a bit of a minority with this though.

Dutton · 22 Mar 2006, 18:18 (Ref:1557629)

Also, this I found interesting:

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Originally Posted by 2008 F1 Sporting Regulations

117) Each car will be deemed to be in parc fermé from 18.30 on the first day of practice until the green lights are illuminated at the start of the formation lap which immediately precedes the start of the race.

And this was removed from Article 126:

No driver may enter into a contract which restricts his right to talk to any representative of the media during an Event. It shall be the duty of each team to ensure that their drivers do not unreasonably refuse to speak to any representative of the media during the Event.

dcp2685 · 22 Mar 2006, 18:32 (Ref:1557638)

I think i quite like this ballast penalty. It has the possiblity of adding another element to increase overtaking (longer braking zones, slower cornering speeds, slower top acceleration / straight line speed)....albeit all very slightly but it adds up. could be interesting.

Although they don't mention when the ballast needs to be applied. If your engine goes in practice, do you have to add the extra weight before qualifying? or simply before the race?

Anyone know how much 15kg's relates to in lap times?

Marbot · 22 Mar 2006, 18:33 (Ref:1557639)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

Also, this I found interesting:

And this was removed from Article 126:

No driver may enter into a contract which restricts his right to talk to any representative of the media during an Event. It shall be the duty of each team to ensure that their drivers do not unreasonably refuse to speak to any representative of the media during the Event.

Not all bad then (sarcy).

But what we should remember is that the regulations aren't set in stone and can be changed so long as it is a majority decision.

But of course to be able to affect a change of the rules,you must first sign up to the concorde agreement before the end of March.

Dutton · 22 Mar 2006, 19:32 (Ref:1557686)

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Originally Posted by Removed from Article 44

Any applicant which did not take part in the Championship for the previous year must also deposit US$48,000,000 (forty-eight million United States dollars) with the FIA when submitting its application. This sum will be returned to it forthwith if its application is refused or in twelve equal monthly instalments (including interest) commencing immediately after the first Event in which it competes, provided it has met and continues to meet all the requirements of the Agreement and its schedules. If the applicant fails to appear for the Championship for which it has entered, its deposit will be forfeit save only that the applicant may delay its participation by one year, in which case US$12,000,000 (twelve million United States dollars) will be forfeit and the balance repaid as set out above.

Goodbye bond.

Marbot · 22 Mar 2006, 19:40 (Ref:1557696)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

Goodbye bond.

Yeah,exactly.You wouldn't want to hang about signing the concorde agreement would you.

**Adam43** · 22 Mar 2006, 21:05 (Ref:1557753)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

I don't like grid penalites, but I like ballast even less.

I don' like either, but am slightly more in favour of ballast than grid, I think.

Dutton · 22 Mar 2006, 21:11 (Ref:1557756)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

I would prefer something of the ilk x-failure cost x-WCC points. This should only apply to any points scored in that particular event. Exactly how the points penalty would operate is an area for debate, but the general principle is what I am getting at.

What about that?

Knowlesy · 22 Mar 2006, 21:16 (Ref:1557760)

Ballast and grid penalties should both be abolished.

Stupid, idiotic rules both. This is not Touring Cars.

Dutton · 22 Mar 2006, 21:21 (Ref:1557766)

Well, there needs to be some form of penalty if we are going to have x-life parts.

Knowlesy · 22 Mar 2006, 21:27 (Ref:1557772)

Well stop this x-life parts rubbish. It has no real benefit......I can't believe that it saves costs in any way.

Dutton · 22 Mar 2006, 21:31 (Ref:1557776)

I think there is merit in 1-race parts.

It saves using like 5 engines/car/weekend.

Knowlesy · 22 Mar 2006, 21:40 (Ref:1557782)

Tsk, well I don't know. One of these days the entire car will be long life and then how ridiculous will the sport seem!

Dutton · 22 Mar 2006, 21:48 (Ref:1557788)

Don't get me wrong, I would prefer there were no restrictions. But then I am not that stressed about costs, seeing as I think, when it comes down to it, if the teams really don't want to spend so much then they won't.

However, in the current mode, whereby such long-life things have become the dominant strategy, I would think that it should be decided what duration is wanted then leave it at that point.

To increase the lengths overtime, such as seems the FIA's grand plan, I would think just causes high levels of R&D to expended on it.

For the sake of argument, decide that, as of 2009, that engines/gearboxes/whatever-else must last, for the sake of argument, 4-races.

Then just leave it at that.

Take the one year hit of increased R&D, and whatever else, then just leave it alone.

Knowlesy · 22 Mar 2006, 22:10 (Ref:1557804)

Well yes, that is better.

But as you say, it is increasing time and again and getting rather out of hand.

And I just get the feeling that one day all this long-life stuff will be abolished anyways.....which makes the entire exercise pointless.

Still, the sport hasn't yet descended into farce so I shall cease complaining!

Dutton · 22 Mar 2006, 22:15 (Ref:1557805)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

Still, the sport hasn't yet descended into farce so I shall cease complaining!

That's been my approach to the new qualifying,

.

Marbot · 23 Mar 2006, 01:39 (Ref:1557952)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

That's been my approach to the new qualifying,

.

Not on topic,but the new qually is about to be tweaked again,with the first two periods being lengthened by five minutes and the last one cut down to ten minutes.Much better IMO.

I'm sure that these new regs will get tweaked as well.

cos · 23 Mar 2006, 01:53 (Ref:1557962)

74 - no more grooved tyres

Marbot · 23 Mar 2006, 03:03 (Ref:1557984)

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Originally Posted by cos

74 - no more grooved tyres

Could be as early as next season.

JeremySmith · 23 Mar 2006, 03:24 (Ref:1557991)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

I think there is merit in 1-race parts.

It saves using like 5 engines/car/weekend.

True...Also the nursing of cars just is silly, trying to get them through two race weekends..

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