Delta Wing Discussion ONLY - Page 11

Speed-King · 13 Sep 2011, 15:43 (Ref:2955005)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I have never seen two people run a race team before, so if Highcroft are the ones to run the DW what gives?

You'd actually be surprised... When Peka won the 24 hours of Spa a few years ago with the Vette they had 1 full-time employee and a bunch of weekend warriors...

Victor_RO · 13 Sep 2011, 15:46 (Ref:2955008)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

You'd actually be surprised... When Peka won the 24 hours of Spa a few years ago with the Vette they had 1 full-time employee and a bunch of weekend warriors...

And in 2008 the RLM guys were consistently making a point about Virgo Motorsport (who incidentally took the LMS title in GT2 that season) having less than 5 full-time employees and everyone else being weekend warriors.

Fogelhund · 13 Sep 2011, 15:50 (Ref:2955010)

Highcroft is still fishing for dollars.... Remain positive, send out PR, Hope, Hope, Hope....

MulsanneMike · 13 Sep 2011, 23:35 (Ref:2955194)

Anyone notice the tub...yeah, pretty sure that's an AMR-One tub. Couple of things, and before you say it, no, it's not a -02a tub (and pretty sure these shots come out of AAR). Second, notice the rocker mount recesses. That's the clue for a couple of reasons. First, -02a had torsion bars. But...more importantly, why would the Delta Wing have rocker recesses that far rearward when the front suspension is so far ahead of the tub? Delta Wing is using an off the shelf tub, and that's the explanation for the left hand drive to right hand drive swap.

**joeb** · 13 Sep 2011, 23:47 (Ref:2955198)

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Originally Posted by MulsanneMike

Anyone notice the tub...yeah, pretty sure that's an AMR-One tub. Couple of things, and before you say it, no, it's not a -02a tub (and pretty sure these shots come out of AAR). Second, notice the rocker mount recesses. That's the clue for a couple of reasons. First, -02a had torsion bars. But...more importantly, why would the Delta Wing have rocker recesses that far rearward when the front suspension is so far ahead of the tub? Delta Wing is using an off the shelf tub, and that's the explanation for the left hand drive to right hand drive swap.

Wow, AMR-One tub? The performance associated with that thing would make me want to stay away!

Not to say the tub was the issue with that car, but still!

davehenrie · 14 Sep 2011, 00:06 (Ref:2955203)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

You'd actually be surprised... When Peka won the 24 hours of Spa a few years ago with the Vette they had 1 full-time employee and a bunch of weekend warriors...

Was Pekka campaigning a seasoned, well-sorted car that was developed over many years by the factory, or were they starting from scratch with a brand new concept, new engine format, new construction materials, new handling package? Just curious.

dh

**skycafe** · 14 Sep 2011, 01:26 (Ref:2955225)

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Originally Posted by MulsanneMike

Anyone notice the tub...yeah, pretty sure that's an AMR-One tub. Delta Wing is using an off the shelf tub, and that's the explanation for the left hand drive to right hand drive swap.

Ok, and oh brother. Could you conceivably graft on a delta thing proboscis on that tub and make it work? It would have a weight penalty because of the existing structure for the 'normal' suspension, so this half-weight concept seems to be fading a bit in the light of that photograph.

MulsanneMike · 14 Sep 2011, 01:45 (Ref:2955226)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

Ok, and oh brother. Could you conceivably graft on a delta thing proboscis on that tub and make it work? It would have a weight penalty because of the existing structure for the 'normal' suspension, so this half-weight concept seems to be fading a bit in the light of that photograph.

I think the weight from the hardpoints in the AMR-One's tub for conventional suspension would be inconsequential. But then this could also be a bespoke for Delta Wing monocoque sans inserts.

Try Hard · 14 Sep 2011, 03:02 (Ref:2955231)

IMO... using an off the shelf tub makes a lot of sense (although why use a AMR-One rather than a 01a given the Highcroft involvement, no idea). If anything, a little bit more credability... or am I dreaming?

KSR88 · 14 Sep 2011, 03:49 (Ref:2955235)

How is using anything "off the shelf" in line with Garage 56 at LeMans. I guess Aston had alot of junk tubs left from their project that suffered from incorrect basic assumptions. At least they are bring the real car to Laguna.

davehenrie · 14 Sep 2011, 04:02 (Ref:2955238)

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Originally Posted by KSR88

How is using anything "off the shelf" in line with Garage 56 at LeMans. I guess Aston had alot of junk tubs left from their project that suffered from incorrect basic assumptions. At least they are bring the real car to Laguna.

Yes, the 'real' car, but with an engine severly detuned. Kinda like the last variation of the Audi R8. Merely a shadow of it's former self. We, the fan, would be better served by unleashing the 'old' engines. Let the Judd Wail at full song, let the Aston scream, don't force the cars to putz around.

(sorry, what was the topic of this thread again?

)

AGD · 30 Sep 2011, 13:45 (Ref:2962953)

So it looks like the DeltaschWing has come out of the closet. Oh, and it will have Michelin rubber.

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...with-michelin/

The Badger · 30 Sep 2011, 14:35 (Ref:2962970)

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-8413.html

Man , this just does not look safe to me .

Oh , and it looks bloody terrible !!!

Gil Abobeleira · 30 Sep 2011, 14:47 (Ref:2962978)

That thing is so............

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 Sep 2011, 14:57 (Ref:2962985)

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Originally Posted by AGD

So it looks like the DeltaschWing has come out of the closet. Oh, and it will have Michelin rubber.

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...with-michelin/

They should have stuck the Michelin Tyre Man in the cockpit; they missed a trick there.

AGD · 30 Sep 2011, 15:08 (Ref:2962989)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Man , this just does not look safe to me .

I guess not putting mirrors on it was part of the weight savings!

It's LHD. That's interesting.

JAG · 30 Sep 2011, 15:31 (Ref:2962995)

They'll use a 1.6T engine, given they'll use the AMR-One tub I wonder if they'll be using the Prodrive/BMW WRC engine?

In the flesh the car doesn't look as strange as the rendering, in fact when I saw it in the red livery my first thought was Panoz LMP1, not weird pointy thing.

The Badger · 30 Sep 2011, 16:52 (Ref:2963014)

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Originally Posted by JAG

in fact when I saw it in the red livery my first thought was Panoz LMP1

Wash your mouth out !!!

davehenrie · 30 Sep 2011, 23:13 (Ref:2963267)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-8413.html

Man , this just does not look safe to me .

Oh , and it looks bloody terrible !!!

Sitting up on a pedestal, adds to the alien-ness of the car. Check out the Speed link listed above and at least you'll see the car roll out on tires. I'm waiting for Dave Richards to challenge the DW with his AMR-one. Caro y Caro.

dh

Carsandmotorracing · 1 Oct 2011, 00:45 (Ref:2963294)

Someone's going to get hurt in this. It doesn't look safe, and it's bloddy uglyt as well. I mean REALLY ugly.

Pandamasque · 1 Oct 2011, 00:53 (Ref:2963296)

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Originally Posted by JAG

In the flesh the car doesn't look as strange as the rendering, in fact when I saw it in the red livery my first thought was Panoz LMP1, cut in half.

Fixed that for ya

**Aysedasi** · 1 Oct 2011, 16:29 (Ref:2963524)

I'm sorry, I'd like to be enthusiastic, but the darned thing is utterly hideous.......

gttouring · 1 Oct 2011, 19:57 (Ref:2963785)

The ugly doesn't bug me because it says nothing of its raceiness, DPs are hideous but the racing is good( they are not prototypes like they claim though those are cars in a formula from 19xx tube frame protos really?) This thing is being exhibited to do what the design was not though to do or even designed despite the 'rFactor' sim showing it on a road course- it is an oval based Indy500 racer where special differential and narrow front could be pulled off. This will lap but at Audi/peugeot speeds no it will be discarded for that I think.if we are all wrong then this will still not lead the revolution as lightwwieght and smaller motor formula will work better as it is simply understood better statically and dynamically . The 4 wheel race trike spaceship design is an exercise.

Simmi · 1 Oct 2011, 20:20 (Ref:2963801)

Sorry if it's already been covered in here but does anyone know about rearward visibility on this? I'm assuming it HAS to have wing mirrors still even if running outside regs? Or would a rear-facing onboard camera suffice?

Tom908V12 · 2 Oct 2011, 08:14 (Ref:2964232)

Would have prefered the electric or fuell cell proto to be chosen as 56th car at Le Mans

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