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Lewis Hamilton 2 3.77%
Valtteri Bottas 0 0%
Max Verstappen 9 16.98%
Sergio Pérez 1 1.89%
Lando Norris 37 69.81%
Daniel Ricciardo 0 0%
Charles Leclerc 0 0%
Carlos Sainz 1 1.89%
Yuki Tsunoda 0 0%
Pierre Gasly 0 0%
Lance Stroll 2 3.77%
Sebastian Vettel 0 0%
Antonio Giovinazzi 0 0%
Kimi Räikkönen 1 1.89%
Esteban Ocon 0 0%
Fernando Alonso 0 0%
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Old 26 Apr 2021, 12:52 (Ref:4047901)   #51
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Ah, so quite a few lengths are considered before the pit-lane speed limit and after you can put the power down again.
What seems interesting to me is that a lot of focus will be made on saving fractions of a second when stationary (understandably so) - but in commentary there seems to be a generalisation at each event that the pit lane will cost X seconds. To me, it looks like just as many fractions can be gained on pit entry/exit as when stationary.

If you compare pit stops:
Bottas' stop was timed at 2.24 seconds, whereas Verstappen's quckest was 2.27s. But, in comparing pit times, Verstappen was 0.358s qquicker.

Ocon recorded a pit stop time of 2.33 seconds, but his pit time was 30.652s - or 0.843s slower than Verstappen.

Why do I think it is interesting - despite only being 1/10th slower in the pit box, Ocon was nearly a second longer in the pit lane. The team can cost a driver a lot of time if they get it wrong, but the driver can also make big difference in their pit entry/exit result. Next time we see a driver trying to get out of the pits and retain a place by a few fractions of a second - their own driving may also be a factor.
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Old 26 Apr 2021, 13:02 (Ref:4047904)   #52
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Have you read it is SC line to SC line? Or was it purely from a measurement of how long it took? Fair play for making the effort either way
It was from watching replays - and they actually show the pit time on the on-screen data, so looking for when that clock stopped/started in relation to a car's position.

The most obvious example was Hamilton's stop, where his pit time was already in excess of 6 seconds when he reached his box, despite their garage being only a few metres from the pit lane entry line (speed limit line).
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Old 26 Apr 2021, 13:55 (Ref:4047915)   #53
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It was from watching replays - and they actually show the pit time on the on-screen data, so looking for when that clock stopped/started in relation to a car's position.
Come to think of it, I'm aware of that graphic. I just assumed that the timer starter once the driver's passed the pit-lane speed limit line.

EDIT: And it definitely makes the whole undercut/overcut battle a new animal. When it's down to a second or two in the pitlane it'll be interesting to monitor the situation from this new perspective.
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Old 26 Apr 2021, 15:23 (Ref:4047927)   #54
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Pardon me for saying though, there is something a little sad (IMO) when we are talking of pit stop times and tenths and hundredths of seconds lost as the difference between positions in a Grand Prix..... I wish we were talking about overtaking on the track.....
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Old 26 Apr 2021, 16:05 (Ref:4047934)   #55
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Pardon me for saying though, there is something a little sad (IMO) when we are talking of pit stop times and tenths and hundredths of seconds lost as the difference between positions in a Grand Prix..... I wish we were talking about overtaking on the track.....
I find it rather intriguing to be honest. And, in comparison to some seasons over the past decade or so, it does seem to be getting better in terms of on-track overtaking (at least at some circuits). But I fear that may be down to gimmicks like DRS, at least in part. Still though...gotta keep the faith!
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Old 26 Apr 2021, 17:14 (Ref:4047950)   #56
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Pardon me for saying though, there is something a little sad (IMO) when we are talking of pit stop times and tenths and hundredths of seconds lost as the difference between positions in a Grand Prix..... I wish we were talking about overtaking on the track.....
To be fair this is the first time we’ve gone into detail and this timing has ben around for years.

Whereas people regularly complain about on track overtaking.
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Old 26 Apr 2021, 18:46 (Ref:4047971)   #57
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If we got rid of the two compound per race rule, it would be so much better. Let them run what they want and if they want to run non stop through the race, let them
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Old 26 Apr 2021, 19:36 (Ref:4047986)   #58
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for me i like pitstops and its pretty nuts how fast some of these stops are happening these days.

a few years ago they were messing around with automated systems/that weird gantry thing which they have now moved away from as well as (i think) reducing the number of mechanics involved in the stop...but still the times go down.

like when did sub 3 seconds become the norm? amazing speed and team work imo.
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Old 26 Apr 2021, 20:20 (Ref:4047992)   #59
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If we got rid of the two compound per race rule, it would be so much better. Let them run what they want and if they want to run non stop through the race, let them
I tend to agree. Tale that rule away and dump DRS while you're at it!
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...and dump DRS while you're at it!
Yeah, that would be a good decision.
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I tend to agree. Tale that rule away and dump DRS while you're at it!

I'd like to see the end of DRS.
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Would love to see the levels of hysterical condemnation if you substituted Vettel's name for Hamilton on Lewis' race.

Took pole position car, flubbed start, clattered it over the curbs on the second corner and damaged the underside, fell off lapping back marker, pulled forward in gravel and drove into outside wall wrecking front wing, went a lap down, given lap back under safety car, and took car to second setting fastest lap of race.

Vettel, Germany 2018, just short on sheer dumb luck.
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Would love to see the levels of hysterical condemnation if you substituted Vettel's name for Hamilton on Lewis' race.

Took pole position car, flubbed start, clattered it over the curbs on the second corner and damaged the underside, fell off lapping back marker, pulled forward in gravel and drove into outside wall wrecking front wing, went a lap down, given lap back under safety car, and took car to second setting fastest lap of race.

Vettel, Germany 2018, just short on sheer dumb luck.
And the beginning of a massive slide into oblivion for Vettel.....
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And the beginning of a massive slide into oblivion for Vettel.....
No arguing that one. Would Ferrari have helped both themselves and their driver if they had adopted Toto's more grown up approach, "---- happens", support your driver and just move on?

Quite remarkable to see how Hamilton is granted a free pass by by the press, journalists and all concerned though, for arguably screwing up much worse.
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So Hamilton did a Vettel!
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Could this be the beginning of a massive slide into oblivion for Hamilton? I doubt it.
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Could this be the beginning of a massive slide into oblivion for Hamilton? I doubt it.
And this is the crux of the matter.

I really like Vettel. He’s a decent guy. Obviously you have to put things like this as this is the internet. I so want him to do well in the Aston.

But there is a simple reason why Lewis wasn’t talked about like Vettel is when a mistake happened. Recently these mistakes are rarer for Hamilton and recently Hamilton has been winning loads of championships. So of course the reaction is different. Nothing more.

Oh and if we compare to that off into the barrier at Hockenheim. Hamilton, and you can say luckily if you like, managed to get back out and secure second.
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Would love to see the levels of hysterical condemnation if you substituted Vettel's name for Hamilton on Lewis' race.

Took pole position car, flubbed start, clattered it over the curbs on the second corner and damaged the underside, fell off lapping back marker, pulled forward in gravel and drove into outside wall wrecking front wing, went a lap down, given lap back under safety car, and took car to second setting fastest lap of race.

Vettel, Germany 2018, just short on sheer dumb luck.
I think the key difference here is:

'took car to second setting fastest lap of race' vs 'locked the rear brakes and went straight on into the barriers, taking himself out of the race'

Luck, talent or whatever - the records will always show Hamilton scoring 19pts and Vettel picking up a DNF from his own accident.
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Too late to vote, but Norris. Could have been Max, but the safety car error was a bit silly.
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