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I also agree with Coppice.
Pirelli is not the problem. The problem (amongst a few others) is that the rule cars must use at least two compounds is yet another farcical artificial attempt to spice up boring racing. What other justification is there for mandating the use of two compounds? Why not make tyre choice free with no necessity to make any pitstops. If a team can produce a car that is light on tyres and there is a compound hard enough to last a GP distance/time then let that team compete against others that wish to make one or more stops on softer tyres. At the same time do away with the ludicrously soft tyres with the lifespan of a gnat's memory and replace with the three compounds suggested by BJS a few posts back. The compounds could be set before the first race and remain unchanged for the full season with fairly wide performance characteristics between each type. This must surely reduce costs somewhat and at the same time get rid of the (yet again) artificial condition of teams having to start on the same tyres they qualified with. The other artificial rule of the use of DRS (or whatever it is called now) should also be junked at the same time and the fuel flow regulation too. All restrictions, all artificial, all crap. |
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https://globalsports.news/2018/02/20...our-compounds/ IndyCar does exactly what F1 used to do. It uses more than 2 compounds, but only brings 2 to each track and uses them appropriately. IndyCar has more than 2, you just wouldn't know it because they're sensible about. F1 isn't the only series that has lots of different tyres. It's just the only series that makes the fuss about it. WEC/ELMS have different tyre compounds but you'd never notice. Largely these are used for when temperatures drop when the sun goes down, but it's still something teams deal with. To the fans, it doesn't look any different. I'm not a Pirelli fan, but the only issue with the number of tyre compounds is how they are marketed. If they only declared a hard and a soft each weekend then nobody would notice the number of compounds and everyone would be less confused. I agree it all looks silly, but just some simple renaming would solve that one. |
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the uncertainty surrounding the tires is one of the few things the teams and drivers cant control so this a positive to me. if anything i want there to be more things outside of their control and certainly beyond the ability for their money to predict. limiting their choices or providing only one compound for an entire race just makes things easier no? easier for the teams, easier for the drivers, easier for us to understand... |
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Give me strength ... my point was that any tyres which wear out in 5 minutes are a bad advert for their maker , whoever that may be. I mentioned Pirelli by name for the reason which is obvious - they make them . And yes yes , before you have another funny turn , I do know that the rules require the tyres to be crap . But if you calm down a little and think about it - I know and you know that it isn't Pirelli's fault but the casual viewer doesn't . All he or she sees is a single car consuming 12 tyres in less than 200 miles and less than 2 hours driving |
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about the advertising...do casual viewers even pick up on any of this debate or do they just see the numerous placards posted around the track and then perhaps will one day will say 'hey i recognize that brand name so i'll buy that set of tires'?
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Apparently the Michelin World Series by Renault tyres only lose 1.5 seconds over a stint, whereas the Pirelli GP2 tyres (same as pre-2017 F1 tyres) lose 6 seconds over a stint... According to the World Series by Renault teams. |
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Crucially, Honda Racing possesses the conviction and racing spirit to place a second world champion rider onto their second motorcycle. Mercedes-AMG F1 however do not appear to have such a racing spirit, preferring the services of Valteri "wingman" Bottas. :/ |
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Please can you define, describe or exemplify the sort of racing you want enabled? Meanwhile Ross Brawn is promoting an "exchange of technical information between established manufacturers and new entrants". Now that should really encourage the Boards and research departments at Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and Honda. |
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Where are the new entries Liberty said they would encourage to enter?
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The tyres should additionally be able to recover when they have been pushed too hard, they should not just overheat and die. Grand Prix racing should involve close and exciting on track action, again MotoGP is getting it right, you have a mix of winners and very close racing where the rider makes a difference. There are no pay riders in MotoGP simply because there is no place for them. I expect nothing but disappointment from Ross Brawn, Mercedes is sure to share its billion dollar secrets with the rest of the grid, and everyone else is struggling in comparison. |
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Was being a bit devious with my question.
Like beauty, good racing is very much in the eye of the beholder and changes with exposure, age, mood, the company you are with and very much between whether you are participating or spectating. |
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I think that's rather well said. Shall we close the thread now......?
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