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I Think FIA/WEC hope that the cars on the grid will be recognizable as cars, not as rocket ships or whatever, so that people who don't follow racing can see that they are cool-looking exotic cars. Frankly, objectively, a grid of P1s and P2s probably looks alien to most people and after a short time, looks pretty bland. Because of the conjunction of the class rules and the rules of physics, most of the cars seem pretty generic---and with the fin and the fender holes and all that .... Look at an old Ferrari P4 and look at any LMP1 and tell me which is better-looking. Sadly, most of us are addicted, and FIA/WEC counts on that. Whatever they put on the grid, whatever ridiculous rules, we moan and complain and watch the races. Now, I think, FIA/WEC is trying to actually expand the base of people who will understand the advertisements .... is trying to reach the non-fans, and using that as an incentive to get more manufacturers on board. Right now ... we have The Toyota Show. Whatever manufacturers found some value in LMP1 in the past, they are in the past. Obviously changes are needed. Hopefully the new standard works. |
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But history has shown there is a better chance in 20 years it will be called something like Le Mans Global Series and the top category will be e-Prototypes One. In 2040 Formula One will likely still be called Formula one, same as it was in 1975. If they abandon LMP1 because it really doesn't matter then sure, but they need to avoid the folly of switching the series name and category names again and again going forward. Makes it feel cheap and temporary, not like you are competing in something of historic value. Of course there more to it to make a ongoing world championship inviting to sponsors, makers and non-rusted on fans, but it starts with continuity of at least knowing the name of what you're selling. |
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23 Jan 2019, 09:30 (Ref:3877866) | #6256 | |
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Haven’t been keeping up with the news in the last few months and have come back to find out that soon the top category will use BOP.. After the monotony of the GT race at Le Mans last year with the fixed strategy options and cars that have long since has their competitiveness chosen by the ACOs latest dice it’s heartbreaking to hear that the top category will suffer the same fate.
Sure the racing will be closer but it’s not the same when you’re racing cars that are performance wise closer to spec than open rules. The reason I love Le Mans and the cars that race is because of the incredible variety and the same reason I struggle to find interest in so many other racing categories which are essentially spec these days. |
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24 Jan 2019, 09:40 (Ref:3878147) | #6258 | |
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What bop won't there be might be the better question...
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28 Jan 2019, 18:18 (Ref:3880242) | #6260 | |
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Another worrying thing to consider, Goodwin dropped the words "mother chassis" as potential scenario on the Pruett podcast couple of weeks ago.
Anyway, success ballast is better of the two horrible options yes, for transparency and manipulation avoiding purposes, however that's not going to be the sole thing. And it won't be used for Le Mans anyway. Besides even if there was no bop whatsoever, LMGTP will still be more akin to DPi than LMP1, thanks to OEM branding exercises + spec tires & new spec components + tech freeze. |
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30 Jan 2019, 16:53 (Ref:3880702) | #6262 | |
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Maybe not the manufacturers, but the privateers
I don't want stock chassis with masqueraded body parts from another company inserted into it, sounds too much like that other category |
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30 Jan 2019, 22:51 (Ref:3880768) | #6263 | |
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One thing I don't get with these new rules is the aesthetics. If you look at most brands hypercars and limited run stuff, they look nothing like the brands main product line. The AMG project one shares no noticeable design with any other Mercedes and the Lola Aston had more Aston styling to it the Valkyrie.
Aren't we essentially getting carbon tubbed hybrid 2014-16 spec Daytona Protoypes? |
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1 Feb 2019, 06:26 (Ref:3881054) | #6265 | |
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Not a single team or manufacturer has uttered a word since the 2020 Hypercar regulations were revealed. So Racecar Engineering did some digging and here’s what we found…
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/a...percar-update/ |
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1 Feb 2019, 07:00 (Ref:3881062) | #6266 | |
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Just abandon them and let em run with the old P1 regs until proper rules are launched (ie zero emission) year or two ahead of original timeline
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1 Feb 2019, 20:38 (Ref:3881222) | #6269 | |
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Yes, pretty odd how Glickenhaus was entirely omitted.
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2 Feb 2019, 12:19 (Ref:3881313) | #6271 | |
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I like to think there are good reasons for doing it. There are plenty of good journos out there
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2 Feb 2019, 19:45 (Ref:3881403) | #6272 | |
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He failed the mention the only officially announced program (as official as it can be at this point). So he has either genuinely missed the news which would be pretty unbelievable, or intentionally omitted it to make things sound (even) worse.
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3 Feb 2019, 06:17 (Ref:3881577) | #6273 | |
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Well maybe we need to wait and see. To be fair it's a tough series to follow at times
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3 Feb 2019, 10:43 (Ref:3881626) | #6274 | |
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I'm leaning towards the latter You know that a negative story gets people talking. Now I feel like like a contributer to it
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3 Feb 2019, 12:29 (Ref:3881652) | #6275 | |
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All WEC stories must be negative, whilst all IMSA stories must be positive. That's the rules, damn it.
Anyway, Hypercar isn't looking particularly great, no, but it isn't as bad as that article claims it to be. Jim Glick obviously does count (and he's made that clear on the last page!), and ByKolles count just as much as IMSA counts the Nissan DPi that isn't a Nissan DPi, or how everyone counts yet another AF Corse Ferrari on any given GT3 grid. And you have to think that Rebellion will have something too - they just don't tend to talk about their plans early. |
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