No hat trick for muph and no championship lead for Ambrose

Razor · 9 Oct 2005, 06:15 (Ref:1427824)

Just saw the biggest crash for the SCA 1000. After the WPS saftey car peeled off, up at moutain stright and wnd corner, Murph punted Ambrose, sending the car in the air and almost over the Armco barrier, and causing a big pile up. Ambrose and Murphy then had a heated argument and almost caused a fist fight. So, no hat trick for Murph and the championship lead has gone to Russell Ingall. It is goning to be a tough time for SCAR, SBR, Perkins (Autobarn), LMS and a few other teams to get their cars down to Surfers Paradise. Did anyone else see it and what is your reaction and comments?

marcus · 9 Oct 2005, 06:19 (Ref:1427828)

Ok well just let me say Ive been drinking since the green flag

Im pretty drunk and will be monitoring this thread.

i will let this continue because simply it has relevence (DERRRRRRRRR)

but do not let this degrade into an agrument and name calling between members here and the drivers invloved , i am ready to swing the bat folks , so lets debate the matter at hand without resulting in insults between either parties otherwise you may just find yourself unable to post

my personal thoughts are "Wow , i dunno what to say until I watch it 500 times"

TSR · 9 Oct 2005, 06:25 (Ref:1427830)

Murph . was not near the b'pillar and marocs could not move much further over as the marbles / dirty part of the track .
Murph should have yeld , he talks about Marcus ego well check yourself first
I remember Murph nearly ending Brags life at PI and wouldn't take the wrap
his a hack and should be discinpline

BTW did any check to see if Murph was wearing a balaclva?

DNQ · 9 Oct 2005, 06:29 (Ref:1427833)

As much as I respect Murph, and think he's a nice bloke, I've got to say he was in the wrong with that. Sure, Ambrose was heavy-handed and audacious in getting ahead of Murph, but the fact is, Murph was always asking for trouble trying to pretend he was still ahead like that.

noiseworker · 9 Oct 2005, 06:55 (Ref:1427853)

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Originally Posted by TSR

BTW did any check to see if Murph was wearing a balaclva?

Yes, he was.

D.R.T. · 9 Oct 2005, 07:02 (Ref:1427865)

This accident is very similar to the much remembered accident at the same point of the track in 1997 between the Belgian Hemroulle in the Audi and Brabham in the BMW when both men were fighting for 3rd and 4th. End result was Brabham winning which sadly didnt work out that way for Ambrose today.

marcus · 9 Oct 2005, 07:18 (Ref:1427879)

I think you mean 1987

Chappelli · 9 Oct 2005, 07:28 (Ref:1427889)

Ambrose had the momentum and was substantially past Murph. From the camera angles show it'd be pretty hard to definitively say if anybody was wrong.

Personally I think Ambrose had the corner.

Monaro · 9 Oct 2005, 07:34 (Ref:1427897)

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Originally Posted by Chappelli

Ambrose had the momentum and was substantially past Murph. From the camera angles show it'd be pretty hard to definitively say if anybody was wrong.

Personally I think Ambrose had the corner.

At EC Skaife was past Ambrose he tapped Skaife on the rear bar Skaife was judged to be in the wrong not enough racing room

Peter Scandlyn · 9 Oct 2005, 07:36 (Ref:1427899)

Wasn't Ambrose in front of Murph after Murph's fuel stop?

Monaro · 9 Oct 2005, 07:38 (Ref:1427903)

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Originally Posted by Peter Scandlyn

Wasn't Ambrose in front of Murph after Murph's fuel stop?

No Ambrose stopped for fuel at the same time as Murf and came out behind him

kbam · 9 Oct 2005, 07:39 (Ref:1427904)

no, he got infront the corner before when murph went wide

Peter Scandlyn · 9 Oct 2005, 07:44 (Ref:1427915)

Ahhh. Sorry, I blame the quality of the local telecast and the quantity of the local brew

chavez · 9 Oct 2005, 07:46 (Ref:1427921)

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Originally Posted by marcus

I think you mean 1987

No, I think he does mean 1997.

Sol · 9 Oct 2005, 07:52 (Ref:1427929)

IMHO Muphy should have yielded. Marcos seemed to give him room if he needed it.

I am sure that they both did not mean or want to cause the accident. I was disappointed in Murphy's personal comments about Ambrose especially. The sport does not need it, but then again these two are the new Skaife / Ingall for ill felling towards each other.

There have been numerous similar accidents to this at the same spot over the years - Crichton and Perkins in 198 err.. 7 amongst others.

fordlover · 9 Oct 2005, 07:59 (Ref:1427939)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chavez

No, I think he does mean 1997.

in the super tourers

the man · 9 Oct 2005, 08:00 (Ref:1427940)

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus

I think you mean 1987

No it was 97 as it was one of the years that the Super Tourers ruled the mountain.

stmookeyj033 · 9 Oct 2005, 08:01 (Ref:1427943)

What I would like to see before making a definitive judgement is the on-board shot from the Murphy Mobile. That angle will tell the story better than any other angle given to us.

xr6turbo · 9 Oct 2005, 08:08 (Ref:1427949)

IMO i agree with what murphy said about the driver in question...but hey ..we will just have to wait for the IPO to have a look at it...

johnh875 · 9 Oct 2005, 09:27 (Ref:1428062)

I was not surprised to hear both drivers comments, they will go to their graves believing they were right. I would call it a racing incident, either driver could have avoided it. Certainly a spectacular crash though.

D.R.T. · 9 Oct 2005, 09:41 (Ref:1428092)

I was leaning towards racing incident untill I re looked at the high shot from the chopper. Murphy just left the nose of his car in the precarious position, really in no mans land. He would have to have guessed with the impending wall on the outside of Ambrose that he would turn in, he didnt and we all saw the end result.

In my opinion Murphy was not in the right and caused the majority of the incident. Greg talked about Ambrose's attitude issue, he did not put the best show of his today either.

marcus · 9 Oct 2005, 10:08 (Ref:1428122)

yes apologies < I dunno what year it was LOL.

Im all confuesed at this time of night

johnh875 · 9 Oct 2005, 10:31 (Ref:1428146)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Greg talked about Ambrose's attitude issue, he did not put the best show of his today either.

Yes, it was a case of pot calling the kettle black. It would be interesting if the interviewers were not so deferential in their approach.

craig1 · 9 Oct 2005, 10:46 (Ref:1428164)

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Originally Posted by Monaro

At EC Skaife was past Ambrose he tapped Skaife on the rear bar Skaife was judged to be in the wrong not enough racing room

Very true, but you'd have to say there is just a little bit more room to give (and be had) at turn three at EC than at the cutting at Bathurst. Definately one lane only up on the mount.

sizzle · 9 Oct 2005, 12:42 (Ref:1428337)

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

I was leaning towards racing incident untill I re looked at the high shot from the chopper. Murphy just left the nose of his car in the precarious position, really in no mans land. He would have to have guessed with the impending wall on the outside of Ambrose that he would turn in, he didnt and we all saw the end result.

In my opinion Murphy was not in the right and caused the majority of the incident. Greg talked about Ambrose's attitude issue, he did not put the best show of his today either.

DRT if you go on the finding from Eastern Creek, mind you who knows what finding they will follow, you would suggest that Ambrose should have given Murphy racing room. Before you all hang me, based on that precedent and 10 laps to go of the biggest race of the year, tell me Ambrose would not have stayed in there as well in Murphs position.

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