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Old 14 Jul 2017, 20:08 (Ref:3751269)   #7966
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From this angle it looks like they changed the livery and have a mostly black car. Wouldn't that be a nice change?
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Old 14 Jul 2017, 21:47 (Ref:3751296)   #7967
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From this angle it looks like they changed the livery and have a mostly black car. Wouldn't that be a nice change?
The 30% (or whatever it is) white rule is such a dumb rule. Imagine if the 919 had a matte black finish (like the test cars).
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Old 14 Jul 2017, 22:07 (Ref:3751301)   #7968
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It's that way to some extent with every car now. These days for drag reduction the primary goal with the front fenders is to keep air away from the big mandated holes on top which is done with really bulky upright fenders in a vertical airfoil shape, while for downforce generation you want small fenders to have more exposed front wing and bigger diveplanes. Everything is a compromise between the two but obviously weighted far more to the former at Le Mans.

Good point, thanks. So basically the huge LM Spec fenders are there just to keep air away from the BHHs. Then I guess the idea is to split the airflow to each side of the pod.

That should mean there is more airflow interaction with the BHHs in the HD spec and hence extra drag that isn't the direct result of more downforce, but a consequence of making the downforce-generating elements more effective.
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Old 15 Jul 2017, 04:19 (Ref:3751335)   #7969
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Incorrect. They buried the mirrors into the rear end of the wheel pods, but they're still mirrors. On pitstops you can see two clear Perspex (or something) caps on the sides of the car in front of the cockpit that always get cleaned while in the pits: those are the mirror housings. Audi did something similar in 2015 I seem to remember.
Thanks for the information.
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Old 15 Jul 2017, 17:55 (Ref:3751502)   #7970
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Old 16 Jul 2017, 05:04 (Ref:3751565)   #7971
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Sounds pretty confident about Peugeot rejoining the series. I think they'll stay for at least another year maybe two regardless of the Porsche decision. That's how everything being said leans.
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Old 16 Jul 2017, 17:14 (Ref:3751925)   #7972
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Old 16 Jul 2017, 17:36 (Ref:3751934)   #7973
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Kinda wondering if that result helps the odds of Porsche giving the go-ahead to continue with the P1 program. Pretty dominant performance from a suppossedly old and uncompetitive car.
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Old 16 Jul 2017, 18:36 (Ref:3751954)   #7974
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Kinda wondering if that result helps the odds of Porsche giving the go-ahead to continue with the P1 program. Pretty dominant performance from a suppossedly old and uncompetitive car.
Me too, but I dont think so. This track suited the 919. They will struggle on tracks with longer straights.
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Old 16 Jul 2017, 20:08 (Ref:3751984)   #7975
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Though published by Racer Magazine, it's written by RLM/DSC staff.

Also one thing that I think is kind of overlooked about the Audi Sport involvement is that was based heavily on bragging rights in my opinion. The quick change gearbox/modular design of the R8, first electronic DFI win, first diesel win, first hybrid win, beating Porsche and Toyota in '14. IMO, that was all bragging rights that will show up in the record books. There's not many new records for Audi to beat, and the same for Porsche. Both have little left to prove at LM.

Granted, Audi in the ALMS was based partly on marketing, and when they accomplished their goals there, they scaled back and pretty much left the series. Audi accomplished most of their goals in the WEC and LM, too. Would they have liked more success the last couple of years they were there, probably, but I place a lot of that on the ACO's IMO flawed EOT and ERS incentive, which is what's lead to the expenses jumping so much vs 2013 and earlier. Porsche even have had issues recently with the ACO, mostly over Toyota's aero rules interpretation.

But even on Porsche's end, they won LM 3 years in a row, won the last two WEC titles and seem poised to win this years. They really have nothing left to prove.

So why not do something else to stay involved in racing, save some money, and maybe get ready when the new rules go into effect? I'll bet you that's also possibly the mode that Audi Sport are in right now. Do something else until the ACO can come up with rules worth making a massive investment in.

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Old 16 Jul 2017, 20:38 (Ref:3752000)   #7977
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Kinda wondering if that result helps the odds of Porsche giving the go-ahead to continue with the P1 program. Pretty dominant performance from a suppossedly old and uncompetitive car.
If one race makes a difference to their plans I would be disappointed.
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Old 16 Jul 2017, 20:49 (Ref:3752005)   #7978
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He might be saying that we should wait for Porsche to issue a press release on what they'll be doing, but even that article if you ask me wasn't particularly encouraging, either.

The common thread in all the articles, no matter who's written them, when, or who their sources are, it boils down to one thing: Return on investment. That's the common denominator in all the Porsche LMP1 future articles, does Porsche see it as worth their while to continue? And this gets evaluated by all the players in racing, from the lowliest privateer to the mega-buck factory teams, usually once every season.

I'd bet that even in the best of times that Audi Sport did the same thing every season. And they said yes until last fall. Toyota are at least publicly saying yes right now to their program. But we have to wait for Porsche's domino to fall to see what the future of LMP1 will look like between now and 2020. And I think that Audi Sport was the first domino to fall, and they might not be the last.

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Old 17 Jul 2017, 05:42 (Ref:3752070)   #7980
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That Racer article sounds like a rehash of what we already know. Not saying that is bad, but there's nothing more to know right now. Most hope they stay but they don't really care about what we feel, sadly
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