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Old 24 Jul 2017, 23:59 (Ref:3754116)   #8041
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The currently supported plan for F1 2021 is a simpler and cheaper V6, with a twin-turbo (improves sound, currently single) with only MGU-K. This is also to lure back independent manufacturers (Cosworth has already talked about a return).

So WEC can keep the most technogically advanced series in the world title... with the least amount of cars.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 00:21 (Ref:3754121)   #8042
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When Honda joined they didnīt had the hybrid tech knowledge of Porsche, this is why they underestimated the complexities of a hybrid powerplant.
No. If that was the issue the same factory wouldn't have managed to make their Super GT cars worse by taking out the hybrid system. They have inexperienced staff because the only high level program that R&D center has really had since leaving F1 last time was the NRE, as well as also having to deal with some awful decisions McLaren made while the team was tanking and the company was changing.

Porsche has the advantage that they've gone through a lot of the pains of returning to top level motorsport already but it's hard to say how the competition level compares between WEC and F1.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 02:39 (Ref:3754139)   #8043
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The currently supported plan for F1 2021 is a simpler and cheaper V6, with a twin-turbo (improves sound, currently single) with only MGU-K. This is also to lure back independent manufacturers (Cosworth has already talked about a return).

So WEC can keep the most technogically advanced series in the world title... with the least amount of cars.
That type of engine and hybrid system sounds familiar, and it's not run by Porsche but their rival...
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 21:16 (Ref:3754390)   #8044
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When Honda joined they didnīt had the hybrid tech knowledge of Porsche, this is why they underestimated the complexities of a hybrid powerplant. Porsche has been 4 years running a system close to a F1 ( KERS + MGU-H ) and they can apply that experience to the F1.

It is the same as in the 80s when they produced the TAG engine, they had been for more than a decade building turbocharged engines.
uhhh what

Honda has been building hybrid road cars since the early 00's, starting with the Insight, then the Civic and Accord, and the CR-Z.
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Old 26 Jul 2017, 01:06 (Ref:3754423)   #8045
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uhhh what

Honda has been building hybrid road cars since the early 00's, starting with the Insight, then the Civic and Accord, and the CR-Z.
While I'm with you on the questioning the Honda deficit in hybrid knowledge, but there's not much in comparison between the road hybrid systems and F1 style systems. Honda's problems were in part linked to the cooling limitations of the chassis early on so a few times they retired the car for that. And they've had their share of ICE errors along the way as well so it's been a tough road on the hybrid and ICE sides.
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Old 27 Jul 2017, 09:18 (Ref:3754646)   #8046
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Porsche just announced that they are going to leave WEC after this season!

https://de.motorsport.com/wec/news/w...sstieg-934908/
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Old 27 Jul 2017, 09:22 (Ref:3754647)   #8047
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Yeah, just read the same thing in the German news paper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung is now officially saying Porsche is a goner in WEC. Well, dang.

Two things to note:

Now this pretty much means the FIA loses the P1 world championship(?), so it's now only a GTE world championship...? FIA already said when Audi pulls out, this is is just an exception that something can call itself a world championship with only two manufacturer.

Also, Toyota might now be going aswell since they said their involvement in WEC is only happening if there's at least one other manufacturer. I doubt they'll race for themselves in the 24h of Le Mong 2018 and win it (well, it being Toyota, they'd probably **** that up, too, just like this year), just to be the second japanese manufacturer to do so. This isn't the japanese way of doing it.

This is the potential recession in P1 I have feard for for years.
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Old 27 Jul 2017, 09:34 (Ref:3754649)   #8048
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Farewell WEC, it was nice to meet you.
History repeats time after time, manufacturers step in and all togheter go out.

Time to introduce a dpi like class in WEC too if ACO wishes to have a pair of manufcaturers at le mans in future for the top class. It's really unlikely that someone new will approach to the series tempted by 2020 rules, who porsche and toyota decided.
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Old 27 Jul 2017, 10:35 (Ref:3754658)   #8050
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It's really unlikely that someone new will approach to the series tempted by 2020 rules, who porsche and toyota decided.
From what I heard which is of course not the official version, Porsche is very unhappy about the new regulations and they definitely played a role in leaving the series.
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Old 27 Jul 2017, 11:17 (Ref:3754660)   #8051
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A very sad day indeed!
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Old 27 Jul 2017, 11:23 (Ref:3754663)   #8052
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Marcus Schurig was on MWM last night ostensibly discussing Mercedes' pullout of DTM. When Porsche was put to him he sounded like the decision had already been made, and that the formalities would be done on Friday.

Now will the ACO totally acquiesce to Peugeot's demands (chiefly a reduction to 4MJ of hybrid energy), or do they plow on regardless?
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Old 27 Jul 2017, 12:09 (Ref:3754668)   #8053
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What a disappointment, we had some great seasons in WEC, now it seems that LMP1 is on borrowed time with no new manufacturers looking to come in
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Old 27 Jul 2017, 12:15 (Ref:3754674)   #8054
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Marcus Schurig was on MWM last night ostensibly discussing Mercedes' pullout of DTM. When Porsche was put to him he sounded like the decision had already been made, and that the formalities would be done on Friday.
The discussion about leaving WEC apparently has been final since at least Monday (source: a Porsche WEC guy); but obviously things take time before they're made official. Wouldn't be surprised if this decision was pretty much made final a day or two after the ACO dropped the 2020 rules.
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Well that's it then. At least I managed to enjoy this exciting period of racing while it lasted.
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