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Old 15 May 2018, 18:48 (Ref:3822657)   #1
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How would you change NASCAR?

I am someone who has not followed NASCAR much at all since 2001. But I care enough to think that these changes could help:

1. Back to full season points standings.

2. Either reduce all races by 100 accept for Daytona 500 and Charlotte 600
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For many of the Cup series races start holding double header races. Two 250 mile races. One on Sat. One on Sun. This will allow Grand National series to run weekend at separate tracks.

3. Get rid of stages

4. Try to reduce the number of caution flags during the race. I don't think fuel milage strategy matters much nowadays

5. Get rid of lucky dog rule.

6. More road races. Increase from the current 3 to at least 5: Daytona July race can be on the road course. Circuit of the Americas should replace one of the cookie cutter 1.5 mile track dates.
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Old 15 May 2018, 21:38 (Ref:3822704)   #2
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Just 3 things and it's fixed!

Dump the Chase to make a true championship again. It was changed to award winning and they've really not done that yet, so either change the points to show 100 pts for a win, 50 pts for second, then 20 or some incremental drop to where 0 points are awarded for 26 plus.
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Go back to pre Chase points as the OP says. I like the idea of double pts for the big races.

Fix the plate tracks. Your biggest race of the year is a complete joke; the other 3 plate races are dumpster fires.

Dump the stages

Fixed.

I'd like to see a dirt track, more short tracks, 2 races at Darlington, 1 at the Rock

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I am someone who has not followed NASCAR much at all since 2001. But I care enough to think that these changes could help:

5. Get rid of lucky dog rule.

6. More road races. Increase from the current 3 to at least 5: Daytona July race can be on the road course. Circuit of the Americas should replace one of the cookie cutter 1.5 mile track dates.
Agree with you mostly . However:
Lucky dog I'm fine with outside the name, but I wouldn't care if it went away.

COTA for a race and Daytona July race on the road course? I think both would be awful. Tap another market like Portland for a road course. Road America, Mid Ohio and some others would be better, but I'd watch COTA over Kansas.

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start holding double header races. Two 250 mile races. One on Sat. One on Sun.
I like this idea. Or make 2 or 3 races per year that have heat races. Definitely need to invert the fields for second race!!
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Old 15 May 2018, 21:56 (Ref:3822709)   #3
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1. Get rid of stages.
2. Go back to a full-season championship.
3. Get rid of those damn splitters on the front, and figure out how to balance the aero after you do that.
4. Fix the bloody plate races. (In theory, take the plates off, as they won't able to go much faster than in 1987 anyway.)
5. Replace three 1.5-mile dates with Rockingham, Milwaukee, and Pikes Peak.
6. Get Cup to a few more road courses. Road America, Montreal, or Mid Ohio would work. If they could swing it, I think the 3.0-mile course at Brainerd would be pretty good with these cars. In a pinch, and I know I'm dreaming, maybe revive the 4.0-mile Talladega roval.
7. Get someone to design something different in an oval, like the 1.5-mile version of Trenton. (I'm just using that as an example.)
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Old 16 May 2018, 14:34 (Ref:3822861)   #4
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And yet their big idea now is MORE plate races, the Winston (sorry, that name is staying) will have plates now with new tires and aero. With the fuel system now why a plate, they have to be able to modulate it without the stupid plate making pack racing

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Old 16 May 2018, 15:20 (Ref:3822866)   #5
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Add Iowa, Mosport, Montreal, Road America and Mid-Ohio.

Xfinity / Cup should do two heat races (40 / 80 miles) with split grids on Saturday and a feature race on Sunday (200 / 300 miles).

Make the cars' glasshouse and rear end resemble the road cars, just like they already did with the front end.
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Old 16 May 2018, 23:28 (Ref:3822942)   #6
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NASCAR needs a pretty big overhaul, but it all boils down to two things: The cars are boring, the schedule is boring.

How to fix? Well, first off, drop the stage racing, drop the overtime rules, reduce all races except the Daytona 500, Coke 600, and Brickyard 400 to 300 mile races. The Chase isn't as big a deal as some make it out to be, so flip a coin on whether or not to drop it.

Too many 1.5-mile cookie cutters on the schedule. Any such track that gets more than one race should run one of them either on the infield road courses or with a Trenton-style dogleg on the backstretch. The latter would probably be best since NASCAR does not need, and should not shift to, a terribly road course heavy schedule. They should look into Portland's road course to help try and tap the Pacific Northwest market.

They need some short tracks BETWEEN half a mile and a full mile - Iowa should be able to handle a Cup race.

A dirt track race or two would be nice as well.

The cars are a fair simpler to address: They need to lose a couple hundred pounds and shave a few inches off their height. Lowering the center of gravity and lightening them up a bit will make them much racier and more exciting(as well as allow bodywork that looks even MORE like the road cars).

Put simply, the NASCAR Cup cars should either look like the Euroseries cars or Trans Am cars without the wing, and should corner like an Australian Supercar.
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Old 18 May 2018, 13:30 (Ref:3823246)   #7
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New owners may make some changes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.538197f0aae0

And to paraphrase the article, it's be overdue for a sale and a change in management. Maybe it'll help to fix??
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Old 18 May 2018, 15:08 (Ref:3823265)   #8
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Let's hope so!

I agree with pretty much everything on here. To me the single biggest issue is the cars... the aero or whatever sucks, so that cars simply cannot run closely and fight for position. Thus the races can be processional and boring. Formula 1 has had this problem for a decade or more and it's duller than my drive home.

I saw a Youtube vid the other day comparing some racing from 08/09 with now and the old ones were way closer and thus exciting. Sort the cars out... they were fine throughout the 00's, then the car of tomorrow wasn't great and the current ones worse still. So go back to the regs from when Dale Sr, Rusty Wallace, DW were competing. Incorporate into those the safety lessons learned since.

Ditch the stages. They bring nothing. Consider trialling a couple of shorter races on the same weekend maybe?

Shorten race lengths... too long for me, doubt I'm alone.

Don't have repeat visits to the same tracks... Talladega once a year is enough, really is!

I kind of like the oval racing, not convinced NASCAR on non ovals is a good thing.
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Old 18 May 2018, 16:10 (Ref:3823274)   #9
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I'm fine with the race lengths, but wouldn't be opposed to seeing the big races, Daytona, Darlington, Charlotte, Atlanta and others keep the length, while the smaller races shortened some. The length of the races used to be a part of the real appeal / challenge when muscling the older cars with bias ply tires and no power steering and nursing a car to last. Now it seems it just prolongs the races unnecessarily as failures are few and the cars are much easier to handle. I say "easier". They're still a handful.
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I think fixing the cars and getting a somewhat wider array of tracks will lessen the issue people currently might have with race lengths.

As for the race lengths, if a few of the 500s drop to 400s, I wouldn't necessarily mind. On the other hand, I'd kind of like to see the one race at Fontana go back to 500 from 400. I'd also be in favor of lengthening the Watkins Glen race to 250, or possibly even 300 miles. The end-of-season race at Riverside used to be 500km.

I commented in the "Future Grands Prix" thread in the F1 section that a lot of the dickering around with the aero rules that sanctioning bodies do often make the aero problems worse, because their first priority in major changes is often to lower speeds. The frequent result of that is an increase in drag, a worsening of the L/D, and therefore, a relative increase in wake turbulence.
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I'm fine with the race lengths,
So am I, and I imagine the same goes for MOST of us around here.

Problem is...We don't matter. Not kidding here; the serious race fans aren't what NASCAR needs to worry about. They need to stop the hemorrhage of departing departing fans, and catering to the hardcore race fans isn't going to do it. The casual fan taste is changing, and the series has to change to appeal to today's sensibilities, and every race being super-long is not what the modern prospective fan wants.

Race length is the most common thing prospective NASCAR fans identify as keeping them away from the sport today. Even people who took a look and liked the racing regularly say the races are too long for their liking - a fair chunk of those do, however, claim that 500 miles is a good length for SPECIAL events.

As while a great deal of us here may be okay with the race lengths, whoever buys NASCAR is going to have to shorten the majority of them if they want to attract new eyeballs.
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Three things NASCAR needs to get rid of
1) The chase
2) The stages
3) The cone of silence it has on drivers criticising the series
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NASCAR has a “how can you miss me if I don't go away” problem — it’s just hard to miss NASCAR when the off season is less than three months and races often run 3 hours+.

1. 38 race weekends are just too many — reduce the schedule to 28 to 30 points-paying races.
2. Make (most) races shorter. There's nothing wrong with a good two hour race.

It follows from this that NASCAR's unloved attempts to produce interest in their bloated schedule should also disappear. By that I mean:

3. Get rid stages.
4. Get rid of the Chase

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5. Add a couple of more road course.
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Regarding the Chase, since I see it popping up so often, I think it's worth keeping in mind that it, by and large, is not really an issue. NASCAR's peak, 2003-2008, only featured one season without the Chase format, so it clearly isn't enough of an issue on it's own to turn people away.

But it's definitely something contingent on the schedule size. There's not much point to it if the schedule drops below 30 races, and even if it drops to 30, the Chase would still need to be shortened. In point of fact, even with the schedule as is I think it should only be 8 races instead of 10.

The Chase is certainly nowhere close to as big an issue as stage racing, which when you really get down to it is just an attempt to address a problem that would be far better addressed by shortening the majority of the races.

Put simply, some of us here consider the Chase as a MUCH bigger issue than it really is, and I really think that when trying to come up with ideas to fix NASCAR, the focus should be on just about everything BUT the Chase. Any changes to it should be made after consideration of how it lines up with other changes to the schedule.
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Only problem with that theory is NASCAR peaked before the Chase. The Chase is the foundation of the problems with the die hards of the series. Stupid championship? Maybe that can be overlooked, as long as your on track product is still good. It's not. Couple a farcical championship with the ludicrous race rules that only apply to this series... It's all a hot mess, but any attempt to completely dismiss the Chase as an issue is a complete oversight.
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