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Old 25 Nov 2015, 00:08 (Ref:3593139)   #31
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No need to cry BOP surely? Wouldn't it just happen automatically? I'd keep it as it is, BOP makes it competitive in the dry and trounce everyone when it rains
Yeah, there's this "convenient" fact about RR layout which is probably my favorite part about the 911 (I'm an armchair racer but sims still simulate well the abundant corner exit grip the 911 has).

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This is why I don't 'get' the Ford GT. All that effort will just be removed by BOP. Am I missing something about GTE? (Genuine question)
This is really annoying because current racing puts emphasis on the show and economic sustainability so we can't have the very best being developed. OTOH it ensures the series continues. The premier series without BOP is F1 and, well, that's not very competitive nor cost-friendly ATM.

(actually F1 has always had a "political BOP" but let's not get into that)
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Old 25 Nov 2015, 01:54 (Ref:3593150)   #32
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At the Daytona test last week the Ford didn't appear light years ahead of everyone else. Of course there were no official times and Porsche didn't bring their 2016 car so we don't know how they sit in the mix either.
Ford sandbagged at Daytona.
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Old 25 Nov 2015, 02:07 (Ref:3593155)   #33
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Ford sandbagged at Daytona.
They weren't alone
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Old 25 Nov 2015, 13:52 (Ref:3593240)   #34
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They weren't alone

Pruett's comment that everyone was sandbagging and running flat out at the same time!

WEC at least has an anti sandbagging rule for this type of situation.
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Old 25 Nov 2015, 14:11 (Ref:3593244)   #35
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Pruett's comment that everyone was sandbagging and running flat out at the same time!

WEC at least has an anti sandbagging rule for this type of situation.
So did IMSA last year. Honestly I'm not worried about any one car being to far ahead. I'd love it if a team was allowed to work to have an advantage but that is sadly not the world we live in anymore. BMW seemed to still be getting to grips with their new car but I'm sure they will be on pace by the time the season starts.
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Old 25 Nov 2015, 14:33 (Ref:3593247)   #36
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I miss arakis. His views were so familiar to mine.

How do you think the current LMGT models would place if they were all free of bop and waivers then. In HONEST competition.

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Next year the new Ferrari still on top but Ford between that and the Corvette? IDK
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Old 25 Nov 2015, 16:11 (Ref:3593271)   #37
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I miss arakis. His views were so familiar to mine.

How do you think the current LMGT models would place if they were all free of bop and waivers then. In HONEST competition.

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Next year the new Ferrari still on top but Ford between that and the Corvette? IDK
You are in delusion.
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Old 25 Nov 2015, 16:15 (Ref:3593272)   #38
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Thanks dad

But yeah Aston probably would eat Ferraris and Corvettes for breakfast if bop wasn't practiced and waivers didn't exist. Judt as they have done in actual stastics with those two in use. Right? Right.




In real word Ferraris direct injection alone would make em look laughable.
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Old 25 Nov 2015, 16:39 (Ref:3593281)   #39
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I miss Arakis too. And Badger. They used to have some blazing arguments that were quite entertaining heh heh.
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Old 25 Nov 2015, 16:45 (Ref:3593282)   #40
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Thanks dad

But yeah Aston probably would eat Ferraris and Corvettes for breakfast if bop wasn't practiced and waivers didn't exist. Judt as they have done in actual stastics with those two in use. Right? Right.




In real word Ferraris direct injection alone would make em look laughable.
ok for Aston. ..but FerrarivsPorsche ,Ferrari with large engine have a bigger torgue,they where faster on le mans (corvete too )....when engines where with same dimension( 996vs 360 997vs430)porsche always had stronger engine .rules in start is wrong. sorry because of the my bad English
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ok for Aston. ..but FerrarivsPorsche ,Ferrari with large engine have a bigger torgue,they where faster on le mans (corvete too )....when engines where with same dimension( 996vs 360 997vs430)porsche always had stronger engine .rules in start is wrong. sorry because of the my bad English
It is rules that are wrong of course (or the lack of them) but we were talking of the real paces of the current models... and in current trim unbopped, unwaivered Porsche would have nothing against Ferrari or even Corvette. Their engines were good and solid in GT2, but since then they've taken the lazy route....because they can... that's not the fault of Porsche but GTE
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Old 25 Nov 2015, 16:52 (Ref:3593285)   #42
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You are in delusion.
Its the other way around really, the Ferrari 458 has easily been the best car of its generation.
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I miss Arakis too. And Badger. They used to have some blazing arguments that were quite entertaining heh heh.
Yeah much better than me against X, or Nissan thread back and forth, or or... they had charm
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Of course if it weren't for bad BOP, Porsche would be running a twin turbo and walking away from Ferrari.. or Corvette could be running a bigger engine, or...

The rules are the rules, including BoP. This pretending that one car would be better, because it has less waivers, or less BoP... really, who cares, it's silliness.
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You seem to be confusing words BoP and waivers with regulations! If the regs said "have an engine comforming with this set of specifications here, have these max width height and aero dimensions, you may have these parts and features if your road car does, restrictor goes per capacity table alone, every car is 1245kg minimum, every fuel tank is 90 liters, no exceptions are to be made from our rule set"... there would be no issues of your describtion

And if you need to use bop by force majeure it is once or twice in a season. Per the idea of latter part of my sig, what ACO used to think.

Waivers, no.

Anyway, it is no more silly talking about this than it is to have these WWE rules on track.
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