Bell's Banter 2022

[Mike Harte]

Until I saw the indicated price, I was considering putting a bid in for the Lairy Canary, but it way out of my reach. Nevertheless, that is still a car I would love to have in my stable, along with (as with others here) a genuine GT40, a 917 plus a Lola T70.

[Mike Crow]

ERA
D Type
DBR1
Cologne Capri
BMW CSL
AC Ace
March 742
Maserati A6CGS
Chevron B8
Big Healy

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by John Elwin

Nobody has mentioned the GT40 but I suppose they are a bit common - far too many of them about...

The GT40 is exactly the reason I would opt for the Mk6. And for the reason you suggest.

Every time I would see a GT40 I would think 'this is your ancestry'....

[grantp]

I would agree about the Lola.

Used to have a slot car model of that.

I always liked the Thomas Cheetah as well


https://www.pinterest.com/pin/140244975882168106/

I must find my photos of the one that came out at Donington a few years ago. Lovely thing. I Forget who built it.

Somewhat damaged about 30 minutes into its debut race and I don't recall hearing of it again.

[MGDavid]

Ferrari 212E
Alfa GTAm (1970 version)
Alfa 33/TT12
Porsche 908/01 short tail
Nissan Skyline R32 'Godzilla'
Metro 6R4
Jaguar XJR12
MG Lola EX264
Porsche 924 Carrera GT
Lotus Elan

In the shed for me to build:
1965 Mini Cooper S
Argo JM14

[delta]

Funny that David . There is a Argo JM14 chassis and parts on RCD . Yes Mike a March 742 . Forgot that one . Although I would preferred a 74 B. ?

[Gerard C]

Mike Crow's list is very impressive and i see that we have several cars in common with MGDavid.

Yes John, F40 apart not many Ferraris. If I had to name one, would be either a 333SP or a Daytona Grp4.

[midgetman]

Can I just add that the 935 on my list has to be the 935-77 variant and preferably in Martini colours? If we're only allowed 10 then they must be the right 10.

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[E.B]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

I wonder what EB's list will look like when the sun hits his bed? RBS no idea? C'on guys!

You might have to wonder for a couple of days, Im away for most of the next two days. It will likely have a B8 on it, and an Alfa 33/TT 12. A Matra 670 for the noise

Anyway, in the meantime just a quick message to all here on HRT to have a great Festive Season....
Wishing You all, your wives, partners, Family et al A Merry Christmas and a Happy, Healthy Safe, Peaceful, and Prosperous New Year /2023.

Thanks all for your camaraderie and the banter this year and look forward to more of it next year.
Take care
Cheers
Chris

[Gerard C]

Merry Christmas, Chris, you'll reach the NY before us! Be safe, be well. Gérard.


Max, as to livery I'll go for the Hawaian Tropic one but only if delivered with the grid girls (now forbidden but very period correct). I trade the Cobra Daytona with a 63' Lister Jaguar coupé.

[justracing]

There can be only one - Chevron B8, I'm not greedy, just drop dead gorgeous.
Flat chat would get my vote.
Happy whatnot to all.

[GORDON STREETER]

Unfortunately do to a bereavement in the family we wont be in Spain for the festivities this year. Hopefully things will improve in this world for 2023.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUguIdZnx8g

[Peter Mallett]

The thread title poll is here: https://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157658 You can vote on more than one. Referee's decision is final.

Wishing you all a very merry Christmas. Also raising a glass to absent friends.

[andy97]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

May I suggest, while we're waiting for the poll itself and because it seems to be the right time of the year, that we could have a list of ten racing cars we'd love to have in our wonders stable? Santa, we know you're reading…

A good game, Gerard.

I have assumed that our ten have to be cars that we think we could conceivably drive without needing to be a driving god (I mean that i can drive without killing myself, if not necessarily very quickly) if that’s the case, my ten are:

My Caterham
Mallock Mk20 Formula Atlantic
Group A Alfa GTV6
Group 4 Fiat 131
Peugeot 306 Maxi
Porsche 924 GTR
Lotus XI
Audi A4 Super Tourer
Honda Accord ST
Group B Audi Quattro A1 (the standard wheel base one!)

(Note all front engine rwd, front engined fwd or 4wd - I can’t cope with mid or rear engined cars!)

If my list is of cars for their iconic engineering, innovation, performance or aesthetic status, and I don’t have to drive them then my ten (ok, 12) is:

Tyrrell P34/6
Tyrrell 019
Ferrari 312 T4
Ferrari 640
Jaguar XJR 14
Jaguar XJ13
Jaguar D Type
Lancia Stratos
Group B Audi Quattro S1
MG 6R4
Porsche 962
Group 5 Zakspeed Capri

[ridaow]

Originally Posted by grantp

I would agree about the Lola.

Used to have a slot car model of that.

I always liked the Thomas Cheetah as well


https://www.pinterest.com/pin/140244975882168106/

I must find my photos of the one that came out at Donington a few years ago. Lovely thing. I Forget who built it.

Somewhat damaged about 30 minutes into its debut race and I don't recall hearing of it again.

While an active reader, I believe this to be my first post on tentenths! The Cheetah to which you refer may have been the one owned by Ian Burford who imported it into the UK about 4-5 years ago with the intention of racing it in HSCC but after several test sessions and an accident (I think at Brands Hatch) it seems to have disappeared. Ian's previous race car was a Lenham MG.

[rbs]

I would be quite brand loyal for my top10 Gerard, pplenty of Alfa''s.

P3, 158/9, GTAm, 33 Stradale, 33TT12, 156 V6 DTM, any early 8c, and an early 6C,
TZ2 and a Brabham BT46.

[Gerard C]

Nice lists, Andy, well done!

[Gerard C]

RB, I'm with you for the 33 Stradale, any 6 or 8 C depending on the body but would it be a TZ I'd go for the first version. We have several 33 TT 12 now.

[andy97]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

Nice lists, Andy, well done!

Thanks. Just realised I forgot to squeeze in Ginetta G4!

[John Elwin]

Originally Posted by andy97

Thanks. Just realised I forgot to squeeze in Ginetta G4!

They are not very big, are they?

[Mike Crow]

How could I leave out 250GT SWB? Or Maserati 4CLT? Or 250F? Or Jaguar Mk2? Or Lotus Elite? Or 20 others…..

Sorry, I need a much bigger garage!

Gosh but it seems a long time to the start of the new season. Easter Monday Castle Combe for me. Can’t wait

[GCCheddaris]

I would have to clear my wife's junk out of the garage first but assuming that...

Multi Union
Alfa Romeo 158/159
Maserati 250F
D Type Jaguar
Lotus 25/33
Ferrari 250 GTO
Porsche 917
March 782
Lotus 79
Mazda 787B

[grantp]

Andy,

Hadn't realised you were a Tyrrell P34 fan. The P34 launch was shortly before I left Tyrrell to work for ELF.

Right up to a relatively short time before the event, despite all of the development of some rather unique parts, not least the front wheels, I had no idea that it existed. That despite the very small factory and the very small number of people and my access to all areas.

Some months before I had been asked whether I knew of anywhere one could get 10" wide mini wheels - which I thought a bit strange. I was told it was for something that I can't remember. Wind tunnel testing as it turned out.

There was also a wooden frame in the general shape of a typical F1 car of the time that was a Wind tunnel test creation. It had 2 holes in the front section through which a metal tube axle could be fitted. The holes were some distance apart - like a very long or very short wheelbase configuration. Once again the explanation was for "wind tunnel testing of long and short wheelbase aerodynamics."

Given that the existing cars were regularly re-configured with wheelbase changes to suit different circuits the explanation seemed completely reasonable at the time.

Fun days.

[morninggents]

My 10 would be:


Ferrari 250 GTO
Ferrari P4
Ferrari 1512 F1 (such a pure shape)
Lola GT (Mk 6)
Alfa Romeo GTA
Lotus Elan plus 2 130/5
Mini Cooper 'S' 1071
Zakspeed Capri (but must be in black/red/yellow Mampe colours)
1964 Ford Mustang notch back
Ford GT40 (in Ken Miles light blue LeMans colours)


All very predictable, I'm afraid, nothing unusual or avante garde. One could conceivably use all but the F1 Ferrari for a Sunday run to the pub.

[andy97]

Originally Posted by grantp

Andy,

Hadn't realised you were a Tyrrell P34 fan. The P34 launch was shortly before I left Tyrrell to work for ELF.

Right up to a relatively short time before the event, despite all of the development of some rather unique parts, not least the front wheels, I had no idea that it existed. That despite the very small factory and the very small number of people and my access to all areas.

Some months before I had been asked whether I knew of anywhere one could get 10" wide mini wheels - which I thought a bit strange. I was told it was for something that I can't remember. Wind tunnel testing as it turned out.

There was also a wooden frame in the general shape of a typical F1 car of the time that was a Wind tunnel test creation. It had 2 holes in the front section through which a metal tube axle could be fitted. The holes were some distance apart - like a very long or very short wheelbase configuration. Once again the explanation was for "wind tunnel testing of long and short wheelbase aerodynamics."

Given that the existing cars were regularly re-configured with wheelbase changes to suit different circuits the explanation seemed completely reasonable at the time.

Fun days.

Thats good info, Grant.
ISTR reading that Derek Gardner(& others presumably) did some of the work in Derek’s garage at home.
There’s s new book on the Tyrrell team coming out in July 2023, by a Richard Jenkins, which is supposed to include previously little known stories, eg the fact that the 008 was conceived from the start to be a “fan car” but they couldnt get the fan to work reliably.
I also understand that the original Tyrrell shed may be be relocated to Goodwood.
I am on the Tyrrell Racing Organisation FB site where several previous employees often pop up with a story or two.