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Old 11 Jul 2024, 12:26 (Ref:4218600)   #1076
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I've seen a few reports from supposedly connected Croatian reporter but even his report is VERY limited in the scope that Toyota would be involved. Likely money, branding and getting one of their guys a seat. Most of it is Haas IS negotiating use of the Toyota wind tunnel and thus well A plus 7 must equal buy-out coming
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Old 11 Jul 2024, 17:23 (Ref:4218636)   #1077
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Toyota Gazoo boss Masaya Kaji was at the Haas garage at Silverstone.
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Old 11 Jul 2024, 21:09 (Ref:4218648)   #1078
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Toyota Gazoo boss Masaya Kaji was at the Haas garage at Silverstone.
I believe it may have legs, and shows a much better approach than some others who noisily claim to want to enter F1.
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Old 12 Jul 2024, 02:07 (Ref:4218664)   #1079
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Haas guy visits Toyota at Le Mans, Toyota guy visits HAAS at Silverstone. Maybe this is because of the rumored talks, or maybe this caused the rumors of talks?
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Could it just be that Toyota are simply making a huge machine tool purchase? Isn't this what Gene Haas said his F1 Team is supposed to be publicising?
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Old 12 Jul 2024, 12:38 (Ref:4218690)   #1081
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Could it just be that Toyota are simply making a huge machine tool purchase? Isn't this what Gene Haas said his F1 Team is supposed to be publicising?
And it's fairly well known Haas was negotiating time with Toyota's advanced wind tunnel, you know what McLaren did for a long time before theirs was up and running and to verify findings
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Could it just be that Toyota are simply making a huge machine tool purchase? Isn't this what Gene Haas said his F1 Team is supposed to be publicising?
Which could well be linked to sponsorship/partnership, like many such deals...
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Toyota coming back with a Ferrari clone sounds about right!

seriously tho, would they come back as an engine manu as well?

have been stories about Renault leaving but if they stay in, it will be Merc, Ferrari, RB Powertrain (is that still happening?), Honda, Renault, Audi/VW, and now possibly Toyota...plus GM if the Andretti play works out!

so post 2026 could see 8 engine manus for 11 teams?

is that too many engine manus? or a sign that the manu are genuinely more interested in sustainable fuel ICE over electric? or too many cooks when it will come to negotiating post 2030 engine regs? what does this mean for engine cap spending? are there any systems in place to oversee this? will they just all collude to create the impression of variety?

and while variety may seem like a good thing, it could equally be a complete nightmare?
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Toyota coming back with a Ferrari clone sounds about right!

seriously tho, would they come back as an engine manu as well?

have been stories about Renault leaving but if they stay in, it will be Merc, Ferrari, RB Powertrain (is that still happening?), Honda, Renault, Audi/VW, and now possibly Toyota...plus GM if the Andretti play works out!

so post 2026 could see 8 engine manus for 11 teams?

is that too many engine manus? or a sign that the manu are genuinely more interested in sustainable fuel ICE over electric? or too many cooks when it will come to negotiating post 2030 engine regs? what does this mean for engine cap spending? are there any systems in place to oversee this? will they just all collude to create the impression of variety?

and while variety may seem like a good thing, it could equally be a complete nightmare?
Alpine expected to switch to Merc, in place of AM.
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have been stories about Renault leaving but if they stay in, it will be Merc, Ferrari, RB Powertrain (is that still happening?), Honda, Renault, Audi/VW, and now possibly Toyota...plus GM if the Andretti play works out!
RBPT is very real. They have partnered with Ford. Engine may be badged as "Ford".

GM is not going to happen. The main reason is because they have not committed to providing a power unit. There was a deadline for them to sign up which has passed. If the Andretti entry had been approved GM would have been able to sign up prior to that deadline. But Andretti was not approved so GM didn't commit/sign.

There are significant rules (caps on cost, capex spends, types of infrastructure) on the development of the 2026 power units. GM is beyond the window of the required financial lookback required for rule compliance. They could come in at a later (post 2026 date), but unless there is some breakthrough with Andretti (doubtful) I think the GM F1 power unit is dead.

Oh, and I expect Toyota will be in same boat as GM regarding entry. I am not 100% sure, but I don't think they can start a program today AND provide a power unit for 2026. They could start today and maybe join in after 2026. I think there might be a small chance they could join today (for 2026), but ONLY if they had strong evidence to provide that shows they have been compliant with the spending limits (as if they had signed prior to the 2026 deadline). I suspect other power unit manufactures may balk at letting them in AFTER everyone else has signed and is following the strict compliance.

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Ocon rumoured to be signing with Haas.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/105225...2025-f1-season

Solid choice to go alongside a rookie teammate. Bearman can expect no favours if/when they are wheel to wheel.
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