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Old 14 Mar 2019, 08:01 (Ref:3890356)   #1036
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In truth the Brexit Secretaries had no say. If you recall it was a Civil Servant (Olly Robbins) who was tasked with coming up with a deal. The fact that the deal had no resemblance to good business practice seems to have passed the politicians by.
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Old 14 Mar 2019, 08:09 (Ref:3890358)   #1037
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Surely the Brexit secretaries should have/want strategic control? The buck has to stop with them, they were paid to do the job. There too much "oh it wasn't my fault, blame the official" going on in Government.

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Old 14 Mar 2019, 08:10 (Ref:3890360)   #1038
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No great surprise there, since when have politicians been blessed with any business acumen! Sadly as we all know, the majority of the couldn't run a p.ss up in a brewery!
This Brexit debacle has now reached something akin to a Whitehall farce, the only difference being that Brian Rix and co. actually made a profit from their productions.
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Old 14 Mar 2019, 08:22 (Ref:3890363)   #1039
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No great surprise there, since when have politicians been blessed with any business acumen! Sadly as we all know, the majority of the couldn't run a p.ss up in a brewery!
This Brexit debacle has now reached something akin to a Whitehall farce, the only difference being that Brian Rix and co. actually made a profit from their productions.
Thanks for managing to lighten things with your final paragraph. I now have visions of the cabinet all dropping their trousers just as the vicar walks into 10 Downing Street!
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Old 14 Mar 2019, 08:27 (Ref:3890366)   #1040
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Old 14 Mar 2019, 08:33 (Ref:3890369)   #1041
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Old 14 Mar 2019, 08:40 (Ref:3890371)   #1042
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Thanks for managing to lighten things with your final paragraph. I now have visions of the cabinet all dropping their trousers just as the vicar walks into 10 Downing Street!

Surely you mean the vicar's daughter?
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Old 14 Mar 2019, 08:50 (Ref:3890374)   #1043
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I agree but they were sidelined. It was well reported that they weren't actually invited to meetings.

As I said previously the deal missed one important piece and that was the closure clause whereby either party could revert to default if the pair failed to reach an agreed outcome. This is fairly standard practice because it gives the parties the opportunity to negotiate in good faith knowing that a time limit is approaching.

The open backstop failed to do this and lead to the Irish problem.
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Old 14 Mar 2019, 09:13 (Ref:3890386)   #1044
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While being a very small sample, if the rest of the country feels the same way as members here, the General Election should be interesting to say the least.

Luton voted to leave, but both MPs have consistently worked to remain, one can only hope that anger and frustration will overcome party loyalty when it comes to the crunch.

The way I feel today can only be compared to 'road rage', that unbridled desire to do damage to some one, not at all in line with my Christian faith.
The only difference s that Road Rage usually only last for a few seconds before common sense takes over, but I do not think it will happen in regard to Brexit Rage.
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Old 14 Mar 2019, 10:23 (Ref:3890400)   #1045
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In a couple of years or less they will all crave our votes at an election, in fact I reckon Hammond fired the opening shots yesterday. Given there is unlikely to be anyone standing who is not tainted by this shambles, what do we do?
Two years of personally targetted satire should be the primer for such an event.

Let's face it Cameron thought he could make the referendum issue go away by winning a stay vote, screwed it up and did a runner.


Had he stayed he would have been unlikely to have done anything except maybe have a re-run, emulating the Irish response.

There was no one around in politics at the time who could run with the project and succeed and the Europeans knew that. Moreover the UK was a different game compared to the Irish result in terms of size and timing.

Johnson seemed to be the front runner but, thankfully, ducked it. He can't even run his own life so the idea of having him leading the country like a tenth rate Churchill would not be attractive. As a ninth rate parish councillor he might just about make it.

The EU was always going to play hardball on this. It was always clear that leaving the project was never intended to be an option for any country that had joined in. Certainly not for any country of note. Even smaller countries with problems that are in no way helped by membership of the community and have fudged numbers to gain access are not allowed to leave the group - let alone be expelled for violation of the rules.

Europe has been here before, probably starting with the Romans. The only difference is the method of unification attempted - armed force having been considered only as a local option during the past 70 years. Crossing country borders has, generally, been frowned upon.

Probably the only reason for that was the promoted fear of vodka fuelled Russian military aggression and the involvement of the USA with a lot of boots on the ground. Once that perceived threat seems to have evaporated things were allowed to change and "unity" needed other chimeras that allowed for messages that reinforced it benefits.

The UK is no longer a possible military threat nor really a commercial power, at least in terms of industrial capacity and potential. Nor does it supply any significant on the ground defence role as it seemed to be doing in the 50s and 60s of the last century.

It can be sidelined relatively easily these days but was good to keep around as a source of income and cash flow and fishing rights. Having Oil and Gas rights in the North Sea was also handy but now they are almost gone (and the need for them is constantly questioned by "Greens", even that attraction is diminished. After all, the EU has a trading agreement with Norway (a small country by population that rejected the EU and suffers a very high standard of living as a result) which seems to be the beneficiary of new energy discoveries and opportunities in the North Sea area.

In other words the UK is disposable or would be if not for the influence it has in the financial world compared to the rest of Europe. For now.

Europe probably had (has) plans, through the medium of the Euro, to acquire that influence but it has taken too long.

They needed either the UK to join the Euro play, or another 10 years with a benevolent tail wind, to make it work. They are likely gambling that Brexit will help them with the financial power grab rather than hinder them. Being in a fairly precarious state as things stand it's quite a gamble.

The 2 year exit period is also quite clearly intended to be either too short (in the views of sensible people who might be involved with developing a properly functional deal knowing how difficult and complex such things might be) or too long for those who just want to get on with developing new relationships. 2 years is enough time to create plenty of mischief but not much else.

Given that most of this mess on the UK side seems to be under the control of Oxbridge graduates on has to wonder about the real quality of upper education for use in practical situations in the real world.

I suspect an East End Whelk stall owner could have done a better job at the negotiating table.
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Given that most of this mess on the UK side seems to be under the control of Oxbridge graduates on has to wonder about the real quality of upper education for use in practical situations in the real world.

I suspect an East End Whelk stall owner could have done a better job at the negotiating table.
But no doubt those Oxbridge graduates could quote you magnificent poetry verses appropriate to almost any situation.

From afar, it certainly appears that there is a large element of the wishy-washy within the UK parliament - and the whole Brexit mess has highlighted that even more.

Probably explains why strong leaders such as Churchill or Thatcher (regardless of what you may think of their politics) have stood out so much over time including having movies made about them - the majority of the parliamentarians have just been consistently ordinary, shallow and ineffective.

If nothing else, the frankly pathetic handling of Brexit by the UK parliament makes our lot here in Oz look at least partially competent and even Trump seems to appear a little more capable in comparison.

I'd hate to be running a business in the UK right now, how could you plan for anything?
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But no doubt those Oxbridge graduates could quote you magnificent poetry verses appropriate to almost any situation.

From afar, it certainly appears that there is a large element of the wishy-washy within the UK parliament - and the whole Brexit mess has highlighted that even more.

Probably explains why strong leaders such as Churchill or Thatcher (regardless of what you may think of their politics) have stood out so much over time including having movies made about them - the majority of the parliamentarians have just been consistently ordinary, shallow and ineffective.

If nothing else, the frankly pathetic handling of Brexit by the UK parliament makes our lot here in Oz look at least partially competent and even Trump seems to appear a little more capable in comparison.

I'd hate to be running a business in the UK right now, how could you plan for anything?
Basically our government are the laughing stock of the world. Hope they realise
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Unfortunately it's Parliament as a whole, not just the government.
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It's not the whole of parliament, but certainly the two main parties and the Irish wierdo's. Laughing stock is an understatement.
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Which is why so many are leaving. Not just because of Brexit but also because of the total inability of Parliament to handle it. Markets hate uncertainty and we've had that for nearly three years now.

Topic of debate in the pub last night - will the EU grant an extension or are they so fed up that it's a case of "**** off on March 29th and good riddance"? Will our money finally be outweighed by our nuisance value?

As usual it all seemed so simple over a glass or two.

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